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Chiropractor looking to persue a RN/FNP degree

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  1. chirorach

    New entry-level Masters program at U of A!!

    Ah what an interesting development. When I asked at the info session if students had had trouble finding their own clinical hours we were told that they had not in the past. Based on what I am reading here it sounds like this is hasn't been done in the past... so really they have no basis for their answer. I am extremely concerned about this. My husband is in NP school (through Samford, not UA) and has to find his own internships and it has not been a pleasant experience. I am still going to apply, probably to the MEPN and the BSN. My first choice was to go to PIMA but they are currently backed up for admission till 2013 and I really don't want to wait that long. Does anyone know of any other options here in Tucson. I can't seem to find any. Phoenix has some possibilities, but the only accelerated program is at GCU and that program seems pretty expensive as well. I know ASU doesn't have an accelerated program and I just straight up cannot afford the NAU option.
  2. chirorach

    New entry-level Masters program at U of A!!

    Learned some interesting things at the MEPN info session. First of all UofA no longer offers an accelerated BSN--it is the MEPN ONLY. I am concerned about this because many MSN programs (for NP, etc.) require a BSN for entry and I am not yet sure how they will handle the MEPN. It is a MS degree which is not the same as an MSN apparently. It was mentioned that you could apply to the DNP program at UA with this degree which I am not sure why anyone would do the DNP at this point which is a 4 year program at UA while it is still possible to get to be a NP without one and be grandfathered into any upcoming changes. My husband is currently doing an online MSN for FNP and it will only take 1.5 years. Anyway, I digress. There will be 96 available spots and they are expecting 300-500 applicants. Average GPA in previous years for the ABSN has been 3.5 and the overall competition is expected to be tough. Lots of people who have gone back to school to take their prereqs and likely have a 4.0 average for just their prereqs, although their overall GPA may be considerably lower (but had to be at least a 3.0). Doesn't sounds like there will be any accounting for WHERE you took your prereqs (ie at a community college or university) as I was told that there would be no recognition for the fact that I had taken several of mine at the doctorate level while pursuing my chiropractic degree. I see their point, but at the same time think the fact that I did 9 months of actual dissections on cadavers and only got a B should be recognized when compared with an A from a community college. But such is life and my whining won't get me anywhere. Interviews will begin in February and will be done in groups of 2-3 people at a time (which in my opinion is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard) with a faculty member. It was mentioned to make sure you don't give the same answers questions as anyone else in your group (again, dumb). Final decisions will be made in early March. There are no letters of recommendation as part of the application so don't bother sending them. Decisions will be made entirely from GPA, personal statements and the interview. They had no idea how many candidates would be interviewed. They do not know at this time if there will be any work repayment options and may not know until after acceptance decisions are made. The woman who is currently in charge of the department is new and doesn't really seem to have any idea about how the sequence of this will play out. She basically gave the impression that you should plan on paying for the program, but maybe you will get lucky. Any contracts that are available will be for 3 years, not 2 as it has been in the past. As for cost, the program will be 4 semesters (summer, fall, winter, spring, summer) and will follow the established graduate tuition. Right now that is roughly $7100 per semester. She did say that this has only been approved through the spring/summer semester and that she anticipates it will likely increase by 6-10% for the following year. My impression is that due to budget issue the tuition may steadily increase per semester for the duration of the program--so probably costing closer to $35k when all is said and done. One things I was not happy about it is your clinical hours are not set up for you. For some courses you will be expected to go into the community and find your own hosts at local hospitals. They mentioned that students have never had problems finding these hours in the past because the UofA program has such a good reputation. I am really disappointed by this--considering how intense the program is, how much it costs and all the connections UofA has in the community I feel it should be their responsibility to arrange clinicals. Not sure how this is handled in other programs and maybe this is standard but I doubt it. Regardless of everything I have learned so far I am still planning on applying. There really aren't many other options for obtaining and RN in Tucson right now as PCC has a wait list for their associate nursing degree until 2013. I am curious if I could just transfer into the UA BSN program--has anyone tried to do that??
  3. chirorach

    New entry-level Masters program at U of A!!

    Just an FYI, I spoke with someone in Admisions the other day and she said that the circulum has been approved and should be on the website soon. Additionally the tuition will be calculated based on what is currently on the graduate tuition site for a masters in nursing. This looks to be approx. $30k. It is unclear if a loan-repayment job contract will be guaranteed, but from the application it seems to be an option. Thanks for your encouragement yelnikmcwawa. I survived chiropractic school so I know I can do this. My only concern at this point is getting in as I know it is competitive everywhere these days. I am not sure how my chiropractic coursework will be accounted for in terms of my GPA. My grades at the doctoral level were not nearly as good as undergrad, which isn't surprising considering how intense the classes were. I will have to meet with someone once they receive my transcripts to figure it out.
  4. chirorach

    western governors university

    Anyone have any info on their BSN program? Is it all online? Do you have to live in the area of the clinicals or is it possible to travel? I am trying to find the fastest way possible to get my BSN as a second degree. Any info helps. Thanks!
  5. chirorach

    New entry-level Masters program at U of A!!

    I am also considering the U of A MEPN and I must say after reading this thread I am a little concerned. I was wondering why it was so hard to find out ANYTHING about it on the website... which all makes sense now considering its current status. I am planning on going to the Dec 7th info session and hope to have many of my questions answered then... but I'm trying not to get my hopes up. It does seem weird that they are basically putting a new outfit and a higher price tag on the same program. A jump from 28k to 35-45k is pretty significant. Especially for in-state. When I first saw that tuition I thought no way, no how... but now after comparing it to some of my other options (which would all require moving which I would have to figure into the overall cost as well) it isn't as bad as I thought. Most accelerated BSNs seem to run at least 30k if there is not an instate option... I just find the proposed tuition disappointing considering UA is a state school. Some of my major questions are: when will they decide the tuition costs, can this be paid per semester or do they want it up front (unlikely I know, but my husband had to for his RN program) and a proposed curriculum. Additionally I would love to know if they have given any indication as to what the schedule may look like, as in hours a week you are expected to be on campus, etc. I heard about how the recent class got screwed with the job placement and although I am not impressed, I can't use that as a reason to justify not doing this program myself since I am planning to pay for it myself. I care more about the program itself and I am concerned after reading posts regarding the instructors. Can anyone comment more on the old accelerated BSN program (since it is likely to be identical to the MEPN)? Was it well organized? Even if the profs are the best, did you feel prepared to take the NCLEX? From what I have heard this is really all that matters because most of what you need to know as an RN you will learn on the job no matter where you went to school. Thanks so much! Rachael
  6. chirorach

    NAU accelerated Nursing 2010

    I am considering applying to this program which would allow me to start May 2011 if I get in. I have my doctorate in chiropractic and I am planning on leaving the field. I am hoping my additional education and clinical experience will help me get in, as from what everyone has said in previous posts the competition is tough! I am also considering the accelerated MEPN at U of A which is 15-months and won't start till Fall 2011 so my first choice would be NAU if I could get in. If any of you are still following this thread I would love to hear how your experience has been so far. Does the program seem to be fairly organized? Any major surprises? How have the clinical/traveling been going? Anything you could pass on would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Rachael
  7. chirorach

    Chiropractor to FNP

    He actually started the program during the last two quarters of chiropractic school. He knew even then that NP what the right route for him. Once he graduated he continued MAL while starting up his own chiro practice and working as a personal trainer. After graduating and passing the NCLEX he was able to get a job working as a home health RN. Between patient visits, driving and paperwork he is probably putting in 30-35 hrs a week. He doesn't feel he could work any more than this and still have time for schoolwork. He puts in 2-4 hrs of studying everyday as well. The first quarter was in the summer he had 3 courses which was a nightmare since the summer quarter is shorter than the others. Samford has said they won't do that again so likely you won't have the same situation. Overall he feels the Samford program requires more time commitment than the MAL BSN. Additionally the courses are harder and require more studying. He has only had one paper so far and is under the impression there will only be 3 total during the entire program. The biggest time committment is preparing for the physical exam validation during the second quarter. You have to prepare a full body/system PE from memory including not only the required tests, but also explain all the positives and negatives of each. You have 60 mins to do this. He was allowed to do this at home by DVD and submit it, but Samford has said that from here on out it will be conducted on campus in person. Which he said will actually be better. To prepare for this he studied an extra 1-2 hrs per day for 4 weeks on top of the studying required by the coursework. The preceptorship is a big commitment as well--3 quarters of 240 hrs each. You will have to find your own host which has been a huge struggle. He will start his first one in Jan. His understanding is you are expected to see patients, take histories, consult with the clinician, make his recommendations and the clinician will then handle the actual treatment and follow-up with the patient. It is NOT expected to be observation and note taking. I think this is why he had such trouble finding one because not many MD/NPs wanted to take on the time commitment required to mentor him and in their own words "not get anything out of it" for themselves. He will continue to work 2.5 days a week at his current job and then spend 2.5 days a week at his preceptorship. I am SERIOUSLY considering the WB program myself and would love any information you can give to me on it. Especially regarding course-load, traveling and hidden costs. Now that you are in the program, is there anything you wish you had done differently or known ahead of time? It seems this is the only online/distance program I can find... unless anyone else has come across anything? If you have any other questions my husband said feel free to contact him and he would be happy to answer them via phone. Shoot us a pm and he will send you his phone info. His best advice is to try to steer clear of the numerous negative and disgruntled DCs you will come across in the program--it will help your morale and keep you from getting stressed out unnecessarily. He has no regrets so far about the path he has chosen.
  8. Thanks backtalk for all the great info you have been providing us on the different threads. If possible I would really appreciate it if you could email me the schedule discussed above. Also, can you tell me how the exams are being proctored and if HESIs are required as well? Did you have to secure private loans or are they now able to support federal loans? Thanks again! --Rachael
  9. chirorach

    Chiropractor to FNP

    Glad I found this thread. I am a recent chiropractor, only been practicing for a year, who is considering the NP route. My husband is also a chiropractor and completed the Mid-America program this past May and is currently enrolled in the NP program at Samford. As others, he had mixed experiences with MAL and Hardin-Simmons. For the most part, the clinicians were pretty good but there were some not so great experiences with the administration. Clinicals were in TX and we were living in OR at the time. He had to do five 10-day rotations and there were times when, with little notice, the dates/locations of these trips were changed giving him little time (and costing him extra money) to make changes. The admin really didn't seem to care how this impacted the students who were out of state. There were also issues with MAL and Hardin-Simmons... obviously because they are now working with Wayland. My husband heard rumours that MAL was charging them $30k, pocketing most of the money, and only passing on a much smaller portion of that to HS. This then impacted the students because money was not available to secure the appropriate faculty to lead them during their clinicals. Again, this was what he heard through the grapevine. The program was rigorous and when he finished he passed the NCLEX no problem. He did put a tremendous about of time into studying and it paid off. A word of caution: it is EXTREMELY hard to get a job as an RN right now. Most hospitals have hiring freezes or are only taking new grads from colleges they have contracts with. Most other jobs (travel nursing, home care, etc.) require a minimum of 2 yrs experience. So don't think you will walk right into your first RN job. It took my husband several months before he was lucky enough to get a job as a home health nurse. He spends 3 hrs a day in the car making not great pay per visit, not mileage reimbursement and TONs of paperwork. If you don't believe me just look at some of the other threads on this board... I just read one about someone who was still looking for a job a year post-grad. So far his experience with Samford has been much better than MAL and HS. There is a system in place and it seems to be working. Some issues have arisen over changing dates with travel commitments to AL, but nothing like before. His biggest problem has been with the preceptorships. You are responsible for securing your own "internship" each semester with a different focus each time. He has had a hell of a time with this. He called/emailed/visited over 50 MD/DO/NPs before finding someone who was interested. One NP even asked him what was in it for her if she agreed to host him for the 240 required hours for the quarter. Even UofA is sending their NP students to Phoenix for lack of options here in town. Most of his friends in the program had little trouble due to having a professional relationship in place with someone in their town who agreed ahead of time. This first one was Family Practice, the next is OBGYN. He has already been told that as a male he is going to have a really hard time finding this placement and he has already begun looking for June. So yes, despite all this I am considering my options. I am not super keen on dealing with MAL/WB at this point, especially since the length of the program increased. Additionally, since it is a Christian school there is required religious coursework that I'm not dying to take. My husband took his online through BYU and it was a TON of work... sometimes more work than his RN classes. My community college is backed up til 2015 for the Associate degree, so that will not be an option for me. UA has an accelerated 15-month program, but I have been reading some pretty horrible things about it on this site so I am not sure about that either. Has anyone had a more recent experience with Excelsior? They seem to be the only entirely on-line based program I have found. I can't get a handle on how long it will take or how much it will cost as of yet. Any other options to get the BSN portion that people know about? Does anyone have anything good to say about Wayland? Sorry this was such a long post and I hope I added valuable information. If anyone has questions for my husband I would be happy to get them answered.