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massageRN has 30 years experience and specializes in Maternal-Child/Ob-Gyne/NICU.

also a massage therapist

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  1. massageRN

    Are older nurses being forced out of the profession?

    Excuse me But they are not considered "Colleagues" as far as I'm concerned , they are bosses , colleagues work side by side with you, while Bosses work above you to direct and manage. I do not resent new grads and love to precept them when hired. But the attitudes I find with new grads are really what demoralizes them. They sometimes tend to act as if they know it all then when something happens they really cannot function because of less experience. The "old" nurses have to come in and take over. So to be fair I think in a unit, a mix of age groups is important to the balance of nursing. And by the way it is a great profession but its the politics that make it what it is. While new grads are fine, a 21 year old is still not as mature in critical thinking skills as a new graduate who is in her 30's. Those are the new graduates who are seeming to be getting hired.
  2. massageRN

    Can a nurse make massage therapy a full-time career?

    Angelwork, I would love to be in your shoes working in the spa! Nursing is a great job, even though I missed my daughters first steps, many holidays , birthdays and parties I have always had a job. I don't have to rely on someones tips , got health insurance and can work extra if I need some extra money. Rotating shifts is the worst but hey we have to pay the bills. The work is rewarding , there are many areas to choose from such as specialty areas like pediatrics and ob to oncology and forensics depending on what you are interested in. As in any area some bosses are good, some are bad its even better when you are the boss. Its very rewarding however to combine massage with nursing and you have a headstart knowing anatomy , muscles and some of the disease processes. Good luck with your endeavor I think its a good one. It is one profession that you would be highly respected in.
  3. massageRN

    I had no clue!

    There are requirements for the state of Ohio as well and all massage therapy whether therapeutic or relaxation is a manipulation of soft tissues, therefore requiring a license. Due to the personal nature of the work ethics and backround checks are usually required as well. In Ohio you need to graduate with 750 hours of massage eduacation and pass their state tests as well. I certainly would report to your state if these therapists are not licensed. Please refer to this site for Ohio requirements: http://www.med.ohio.gov/pdf/eligmt.pdf. The reason states are establishing these laws is because you need proper education for your safety as well as the client you are massaging. Just because you have your nursing license does not mean you can massage. Sure we know anatomy and muscles etc. but it is still out of our scope of practice as a nurse. I certainly would not want to be hurt by someone who thinks deep tissue is just "rubbing a little harder" or having a registered sex offender working on me during my massage. Please refer to your individual states because if they are requiring a license and you are massaging without one you could lose your nursing license or put on suspension for years or probation. Some of these states also fine you as well, and the fines are hefty. So as a massage therapist does this mean I can give out Motrin 600 mg for pain after your massage or antidepressant because that patient was prescribed them or heck why not hydrate the client with some IV fluids. No these massage therapists worked very hard for their education and license just as we did for our nursing license. Please have respect for each others professions because I thought the same before I went to massage school and boy was I in for a big surprise after I started. There was more to it than I realized!
  4. massageRN

    I had no clue!

    sorry according to your state board licensure in your state requires you to have 500 hours from an approved school plus the following testing. it depends on each individual state.education requirements500 hrs and 60 college credit hrstitlecertified massage therapist cmt registered massage practitioner rmptype of credentialcertification cmt registration rmpstate law teststate practical or written examwritten examnational exam requirementncetm, ncetmb or nccaomceu's24/ 2 yearsinitial cost of license$350require city licenserenewal fee$200/ 2 yearsliability inscredentialed practitioners3,003
  5. massageRN

    How do RN's become massage therapists?

    I am extremely professional and proud of the work that I do. Please reread the answers in this forum as this is a forum about becoming a nurse massage therapist and I fully agree with a lot of the reply's posted here. I'm sorry if your a little miffed If I did not agree with yours. I'm only here to provide my many years of experience and I'm not in the job for the glorious pay we may or may not get but a nurse in some states can get into a lot of trouble doing massage without a license. I see that Nurse M.T. and Yogi rn2b also gave good solid professional advice of the same. I just don't want some nurse thinking she can be a massage therapist by reading a book. There is not one hospital here in the U.S. that will hire a nurse as a nurse massage therapist from reading a book. Sorry about your confusion about this field of nursing.
  6. massageRN

    How do RN's become massage therapists?

    I'm sorry to say you don't just "get a book and Practice" on your patients even with consent. You need to have at least 500 hours of massage therapy training. My suggestion is you need to look up the State Board laws regarding massage therapists and nursing in your state. Massage may be within the scope of our practice , however there is more to it than all of you think. Also you can contact the national certification board mentioned earlier in this forum. Now as for doing a "good massage" just because you are a nurse and collecting money for it is not in our scope of practice . #1 that is very unprofessional, #2 you are now practicing massage therapy as a massage therapist not in the scope of nursing. Our scope of practice as a nurse in massage for our patients is a night time backrub for a patient who cannot sleep or a foot and hand massage to decrease pain by 20% for a post surgical. I as a licensed massage therapist and nurse certainly would certainly not let you touch me without the proper training we go through. And while I'm at it also massage therapists do not provide psycho therapy and solve other peoples problems and that goes for nursing as well. We do a 10-15 minute interview before massage and are usually quiet during a massag eto allow the person to relax and enjoy the energy and balance of their bodies. You sir need to get a professional massage and do your homework before you give advice to nurses to just go out and collect money to do a "good massage" because you can loose your nursing license especially when while doing a massage and something happens and you do not have the knowledge base to know what to do and your nursing liability insurance will not cover you because you were acting in the capacity as a massage therapist.
  7. massageRN

    could use some advise please?

    Here is the website for a great article on fibromyalgia and massage: http://www.massageandbodywork.com/Articles/FebMar2004/Fibromyalgia.pdf
  8. massageRN

    could use some advise please?

    Because fibromyalgia patients live in pain and lack the neuro- transmitters to block some of the pain transmission , these patients are extremely hypersensitive and very easy to overtreat. Trigger point therapy may be inappropriate in this instance. Gentle massage however is so in your case to get rid of toxins and relax muscles gentle techniques such as Swedish effleurage and lymphatic drainage are wonderful to try. Please know that massage therapists certify and specialize just as nurses do in their areas so it may be best to find a therapist who has done further study in fibromyalgia. While the PT you went to has knowledge of muscles and recovery she/he however provided you with an inapproprate treatment of which I hope you will consider trying an experienced massage therapist for your condition. Ankylosing spondylitis sometimes goes along with fibro as they are both considered autoimmune disorders, however less is understood about ankylosing spondylitis. Massage also must be gentle and proceed with caution and not reccommended if the spinal joints are inflamed as during a flair up. Light effluerage is ok. Massage is most effective in the early stages of this disease as it does help preserve the mobility of the spine. Again PT and all the jostling around not an appropriate treatment. If you would like to exercise stay with tai chi or light yoga stretching or even a favorite of mine qi gong. MassageRN
  9. Approximately 1 in 4 persons have used some form of complementary and alternative medicine / therapy. Hospitals, physicians and nurses are finding ways to incorporate alternative options in health care to their patients. In keeping with current trends and a holistic approach in healthcare, there is a need for nurses to keep up with these modalities, one being massage and bodywork. Bringing massage back into the profession of nursing not only can benefit the patient but the hospital, physician and the nurse as well. Massage Therapists in general provide the application of various techniques to the muscular structure and soft tissues of the human body. They consist of massage, joint mobilizations and stretching. With so many modalities to choose from in massage, all have a place in patient care. For relaxation and stress reduction a good choice would be to utilize a form of Swedish massage. Pain reduction in musculature after or before physical therapy may need some deep tissue or a sports massage. As an example, patients who are unable to obtain a massage due to their diagnosis may be relaxed with a simple hand massage and some active listening while getting their chemotherapy. A registered nurse with a background in massage therapy can be a valuable resource person to provide comfort in a very overwhelming, scary environment of monitors, I.V.'s and medical procedures. Nurse Massage Therapists can offer more in the way of education in addition to massage and bodywork. With their background in the disease process, psychosocial issues, nutrition, medications and anatomy, nurse massage therapists can assess, develop, implement and evaluate a treatment plan for each patient. Teaching comes with the job of being a nurse and discussing prevention, nutrition and lifestyle changes for better health remains within our scope of practice while doing massage and bodywork. According to the National Association for Nurse Massage Therapists, the requirement is to be a licensed registered nurse (R.N.) who has completed 500 hours of post graduate education and training in massage therapy and bodywork. Most states recognize massage as within the scope of practice of physicians, physical therapists and nurses therefore leaving them exempt from the massage licensing act providing they have the 500 hour required education in massage therapy. The working environment for a nurse massage therapist can be numerous with new opportunities opening everyday. Listed below are just a few examples of areas a nurse may work with massage skills added to her scope of practice: Hospice Massage Nurse Physicians Office Prenatal/ Postpartum Care Infant/ Pediatric Massage Therapy Hospital Based Massage Practice Labor Doula Chiropractors Office Medical Spa Solo Practitioner The list provides a diverse inter-relationship with other medical fields and can provide physicians with an opportunity for a more "hands on" practice for their patients. In a hospital based setting the nurse massage therapist can implement massage into his/her care of the patient's treatment in any setting from the physical therapy department to oncology and to it can be formatted to any age group. By employing qualities of active listening, experience as a nurse, wider knowledge base and the comforts of therapeutic touch it benefits the hospital by providing continuity of care and making their patients feel special or pampered. It takes away some of the clinical feeling of the hospital setting and makes it more spa-like, warm and welcoming. This makes our patients a satisfied customer and they return for their wellness needs. Salary varies with place of employment but a hospital based nurse massage therapist would expect to get a minimum of $60,000/ year. Benefits that may be options to the therapists are dental, health insurance, paid vacation, sick time and retirement benefits. Some hospitals even have tuition reimbursement benefits providing it may be used at their place of employment and you may have to guarantee working there a minimum of one year after you have graduated or received your certificate. The benefits obtained from a patient whose heart you have touched with a massage outweigh any benefit that can be written. It truly is an act of kindness and fulfills the basic need of touch in everyone. To know you can change someone's outlook on their life or help change their prognosis with something as simple as touch from a hand massage or back massage is very rewarding. The benefits to the patient are phenomenal. Enhanced immune system, relaxation to decrease muscle tension and their perception of pain being decreased are just a small example of things massage can help with. Did you know a 20 minute hand and foot massage decreases a patients pain by 20 % after surgery? This decreases the need for high doses of pain meds because the massage increases the output of endorphins in our body which are neurotransmitters that act like morphine, reducing the pain and producing a euphoric feeling. The drawbacks are very few in this profession. It is a good exercise for the person giving the massage, provides a time for meditation and is almost like doing a dance or comparable to tai chi exercises. The hours can be hard as nurses work eight hour shifts and also are required to work the holidays. You must be in good physical health which enables you not only to provide good massage techniques but makes you a good role model to your patients as well. The different areas of nursing provide many opportunities for use of several different massage modalities so continuing education is a must and this can be costly. Some of the continuing education seminars require out of town travel and can run upwards of $500.00 for a 4 day seminar not including airfare and hotel stay. The requirement is 48 continuing education hours every 4 years. To bring massage back into the nursing profession provides benefits to everyone involved. As a Nurse Massage Therapist it expands our career choices, complements our profession by following trends in therapy and allows us to become closer to our patients. It benefits the hospital by expanding their therapies and offering the community complimentary and alternative medicine. It benefits the patients with an alternative choice in medical treatment and makes them feel special by nurturing their need for touch. Physicians are less likely to prescribe costly medications with many side effects to a patient if alternative therapy were available. Best of all it benefits the nurse with the reward of knowing you made someone's life better because you decreased their pain and stress with just what nurses are known for a little "TLC", Tender, Loving , Care. Author : Denise , R.N., B.S., C.C.E., NCBTMB massageRN Copyright 2007 Bibliography Goley R.N., B.S.N., April, "APN's Need to Learn More about Complementary and Alternative Medicine," Advanced Practice Nursing eJournal, 2004, accessed 9/4/05. Huebscher Roxana, PhD. and Pamela Schuler. Natural, Alternative and Complementary Health Care Practices, Mosby, Inc., St Louis, Missouri, 2004. McIntyre R.N., MAS, NCTMB, Elizabeth, "State Regulations Vary For Massage Therapists", Nursing Spectrum, Dec., 2003. Massage Licensing Act of Illinois and Rules of Practice, printed by American Massage Therapy Association, Illinois Chapter. March 2005. National Association of Nurse Massage Therapists, Http//: www.nanmt.org. Accessed 9/4/05.
  10. massageRN

    Largest baby

    Little Company of Mary in Evergreen Park,Il. had the biggest this year...It was on Comcast home page and on all the news, even mom called from Florida(she's an Ob nurse) 13Pounds-9ounces!!!!!!! had to borrow diapers from peds!
  11. massageRN

    What's The Weirdest Name You've Heard A Patient Name Her Baby?

    My favorites..Toiletta, guess where she was born, and twins named LaDonna and LaDenise- the nurses who took care of them Donna and Denise of course!

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