yes indeed!! $278 there goes the php 15,000...i didn't know myself. i just emailed them about it, because my aunt didn't apply for the ces anymore. she just used her cgfns certificate. i asked you about it in your previous posts, when dcraneses was inquiring about il licensure, but you didn't reply. anyway, you already paid for the ces, so, even if i did tell you, there wasn't much use anymore. i also wasted money with my licensure endorsement which i could have avoided. :uhoh21: hmmm..no use dwelling on that though. :wink2: lesson learned for both of us.