10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
I'm not anti vaccination. I'm hesitant. I've laid out my concerns previously. My final conclusion is: I don't want to get infected (before I started researching I wasn't concerned. Now I am. So I'm motivated). I don't want to get injured by the vacci...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
This conversation is not productive. I and MANY nurses like me have valid concerns. It's not productive to have a dismissive attitude. You have no empathy, fair mindedness, good faith, or reading comprehension (I think it's voluntary). I have nothing...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
Hey! Thanks for reading through it. It's good to know I'm not just talking to myself. LOL.
thanks for sharing the case study. A couple things stupid or to me:
-Immunogenicity assessment by measuring spike protein (S1) antigen-binding immun...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
I don't elevate doubt. I'm honest about it. You on the other hand read your script and buttress the hardline antivaxxers. You frustrate the conversation with your appeals to authority. Uncommon side effects can KILL, DISABLE, AND HARM people. NOT OFT...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
I haven't changed my view. Once I get my vitD levels up, I plan to get vaccinated. One shot or two? Jenson or the others. Not sure yet. But you and people like you, dismissing everything but the CDC taking points is irritating. Medicine is not as sim...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
"Countering misinformation"? What about the individuals I cited? You dismiss them out right! These people were harmed, there ARE risks, and YOU pretending those people simply don't matter is pathetic.
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
I see a ton of two sided conversations going on here. I'm going to post some examples of people complaining of vaccine injury.
GBS: https://medium.com/@BeautifulFlower/im-pro-vaccine-and-I-have-guillain-barré-syndrome-d82b3443f259
Stroke:
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10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
Yes but we are also in an information war. If you like your side and the partisanship, ignore the opposition and dismiss them. That's your choice. If you want to find common ground and combat the partisanship, and perhaps contribute to the solution, ...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
I never said it was a virus. I said we still check for titers to ensure the presence of immunity. That's not the case with TB. We are checking for exposure and potentially looking to see if x rays are needed. Tb is not related to the issue in questio...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
Sure. I get that. And that's correct. However, given titers are drawn for viruses where the question is "is there immune protection, ie antibodies", I think the poster you responded to has a valid question. "Why is this virus treated so differently f...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
Because, for some strange reason, the medical experts have decided vaccines matter and natural immunity doesn't (at least that is the messaging). One could argue its "better to be on the safe side" and thus, more protection is better. There is good d...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
Perhaps. But, the conversation isn't really about the science is it? It's about trusting the science, the sources of information. The science isn't really agreed with by everyone like things that are well understood and have long precedent. If everyo...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
I thought PPD and quantiferon tested for exposure rather than immunity (exposure bad, non exposure good). So probably don't want an immune response in the case of tb. Not sure TB is a good counter example to tests for immunity. Am I misunderstand?
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
I think I have the pieces I've needed to help allay my concerns. As I've said, my main concern is vaccine injury long term from auto immune processes. I'm still concerned about that. My biggest concern is the denial game. Pro vax people seem to be de...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
I don't think you understood the posters point. "It wasn't the vax that bothered me then. l It was having to make such a choice. " I read it as "back then it wasn't the vax itself that bothered me. So I took it, but wasn't happy about being requi...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
Well I'm still wading through it but, what it showed me is, this is no "ordinary" virus. It seems to cause a much bigger inflammatory response through triggering an auto immune response itself.
"We found that there are several similar processes...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
Given this is still a new drug, I've been looking for suggestions on possible links to auto immunity meditated by covid vaccines. Seen a number of letters to the editor with some proposed mechanisms. The thing that stood out to me on this one was the...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
I'm in the middle. Not red or blue. I'm on the anti mrna team. As soon as Novavax comes out I'll take it.
If nobody calls it a vaccine injury, it will be ignored in the data. We don't know how many have been injured. VAERS is dismissed as worth...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
Your strawman has nothing to do with my statement. Freedom is still, and always will be worth everything. I guarantee that veteran would agree with the premise.
Guess what. If there wasn't so much team sport stuff in this debate, maybe the vacci...
10GaugeNeedles replied to jive turkey's topic in COVID
I updated my post. I don't reserve blame from the red team. I see you don't reserve blame from the blue team. In that we are agreed. But the media is biased. And the population gets their news from the media. My over riding point is, we can't keep p...