Thanks to who posted this link: ISMP article link !!! I hope people will read it if they want to know more opinions of why this nurse should not be charged criminally. Quoting a piece of it
wow, this is a good article about "inattentional blindness" that someone posted earlier. Maybe this played a role in this inadvertent patient death: article quoted, in case you missed the previously...
I'm opposed to criminal charges and would support your stated legislation when the nurse is not proven to have intent to harm and when the nurse is attempting to be a good worker at a facility that...
I know what you wrote but I can't claim to know what you think. Anyone who wants to see can look back as well, but it was along the lines of what you just wrote which is that her failure to monitor is...
I agree we don't know what kind of day she was having, and those that defend her from criminality are giving her the benefit of the doubt. Nobody has defended her actions. Most have expressed that she...
How can we separate it? The main tool nurses need to prevent errors is our brain, which we need sharp for critical-thinking and present awareness. Our brains are affected by our working conditions and...
Well then you'd know, despite your comment about intent, that intent is not the issue. We can agree there was no intent to kill and still disagree that she is guilty of reckless homicide. Based on...
I probably shouldn't reply to the analogies unless they're in a thread not related to this case because, for one reason, analogies never match up perfectly, and for another reason I got jumped on in...
If you've read every single post in every single related thread as I have, you'd know Wuzzie and many others do not think the hospital is at least as culpable. I do not claim to know what they think....
.So you are assuming...got it. Jory, you are assuming she was not distracted, yes? What's the difference between assuming that and assuming she was distracted? I wrote in a previous post about why I'm...
Those questions are the very legal definition of reckless homicide. What I've said is based on the definition of reckless homicide that person posted. If you want to post a different definition, I'll...
There is no "interpretation" here. Any first year law student could tell you what reckless homicide is...it is when your NEGLIGENCE causes the death of another human being. There is nothing...
Which means nurses should always be willing to quit or be fired. I have not seen a nursing job yet which does not have impossible demands to the extent that some shortcuts are necessary (unless you...
I interpret this to mean that the perpetrator had to be aware, in the moment of harming, that there was a significant risk of death or grievous bodily harm in the victim. There is a difference between...
1. It is criminal behavior because it meets the legal criteria. You seem to be on this bandwagon that intent had something to do with it. It doesn't. She didn't intend to kill the patient, but she...
You sound to me like a very experienced nurse and a very good one. But what it sounds like to me when you say "this is what bothers me" is that what bothers you is how inexperienced this nurse was....
I agree, and I also think that licensed health professionals have a right to be protected from criminal charges when a facility fails to provide safe working environments, safe workloads, and safe...
What I've gathered from comments so far is that nurses cannot be perfect (in fact no one can be), but that we should strive to at all times to follow policies and standards of practice and be willing...
I hope this doesn't indicate that you would give up on trying to be a good nurse when you find how unrealistic expectations can be at many (or most?) nursing jobs. People who can't handle not being...
Jory, I'm going to get to your other points in another post, but for you to write this -- well, you obviously haven't read my posts in which I talked about all of that. Whether it's an appropriate...
I understand why you think that. We can only imagine what type of nurse she usually is because we don't know. I imagine her to be usually prudent and then horrible circumstances led her to fail to be...
You are right and I apologize for what I said. What I should have said was that I feel frustrated that we can't use the word 'mistake' or 'error' without going back and rehashing every single thing...
I could not agree more. Had I never been overloaded with patients, not enough CNAs, and impossible expectations with no guaranteed break in a 12-hr shift, then I think I would have loved inpatient...