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In almost every major, the progression of degrees goes straight from BS/BA to the Ph.D. That means a kid graduates from college in 05 and has his final degree by 09 (if all goes well.)

Maybe things have changed, but last time I checked, nurses had to get their MSN before they could enroll in the PhD program, THEN completing the PhD took another 4 years minimum.

Is this not foolish (and costly in time and money)? It seems to me that a Masters graduate should have done sufficient classroom study to "master" a subject of interest and should then be able to begin the research portion of a PhD program, completing and defending a dissertation in two years.

Our state does not have a PhD in nursing program, so I haven't kept up on how it's being done nationally. How is it done where you live? Would you be more inclined to sign up for the PhD program if you could complete it in two years?

Another difference between nursing and other majors: I got my PhD in one of the hard sciences. My major professor supported my tuition and gave me a stipend. The degree didn't cost me any money. If more faculty had more research funding, there should be support for predoctoral students. If you could have tuition and a stipend, would this influence your decision to do a doctoral program?

Just curious about barriers (if any) that keep the number of potential faculty members from meeting the current demand.

the ana cannot agree on standards and does not accredit any doctoral programs, i believe the information you received or was told in incorrect.

mike

mike, you're right. i stand corrected. it's the aacn, not the ana that's stated that the dnp degree will be required for advanced practice nursing by 2015. there's an aricle that talks about the change on nurseweek.com if anyone's interested. :)

I live in Ohio and I would be interested in pursuing that degree as well, but I havent seen any of them in my state either.

There is a clinical doctorate program at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland!

BSN-PhD programs are coming up everywhere. In Ohio, we have one at Ohio State and Case Western. I am graduating with a BSN in 2006 and I am planning on taking this route for a PhD. I'm really interested in nursing research and teaching. Anyone else considering one of these programs?

As for the AANC requiring a doctorate degree for all nurse practitioners by 2015, it is a position statement. It's very doubtful it will actually be implemented by 2015. Remember, we cannot even agree on an entry level degree for nursing practice!

Specializes in ICU, ER, HH, NICU, now FNP.

Looking at most of these programs - they are STILL more management and leadership or academic in focus than I would like to see a clinical Doctorate be.

Specializes in NICU.
Looking at most of these programs - they are STILL more management and leadership or academic in focus than I would like to see a clinical Doctorate be.

I think that's the point of the DrNP, as opposed to the Doctor of Nursing Science. All the NPs who graduated from the pilot program at Columbia are full-time practicing NPs, some of whom are also on faculty here.

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