Preemptive Horizontal Violence, Get 'em Before They Start

[hvlqodvhiniyc]

I'm suprised at how quickly and dismissively threads are closed here to persons seeking information about joining the nursing profession with a negative criminal background. allnurses.com seems to have instituted this as a policy.

I'm struck that that people who have made mistakes yet are seeking to grow and change in a new career are met with such forceful discouragement. I can only chalk this up to horizontal violence.

Much of the information given as the questioner was muzzled is now aged, checkered, jaded, and incorrect. Grant that these posts are years old and times change. Several Boards of Nursing now post audio and/or video of their their meetings online for review.

It's easy to listen to real, current cases where an exemption is the norm and a denial is the exception. Such a broad brush of disiformation across some 49 other states because a few individuals have personal experience in a single state is little less than hubris.

From my research and listening/viewing hours of board meetings, once bad behavior is five to seven years in the past, an honest accounting of the crime and solid, documented record of good behavior hence is all that's required to be conditionally granted a license. If the crime involved controlled substance abuse, using, selling, or buying, the rule exemption almost always included abuse program intervention or some extra monitoring or probationary period.

I hope some might read this and be softened in heart to those who were once ill of mind or spirit, are healed, and want to move ahead in caring for others.

My advice to potential nurses is to contact an attorney who represents clients to the medical boards in cases of misconduct. Seek out an advocate for you who's on your side. He or she should charge at most if at all an hour's fee and tell you how to apply, what to say, and to return to his or her office only if you are denied and want to prepare an appeal. This will be the what's what today in your state from a professional trained to counsel with the nursing board and represent you to them.

[Algernon]

My heart most definitely is softened and goes out to all those wishing to carry their history of better choices forward into something great.

I wish all such people the best!

[GilaRRT]

I'm suprised at how quickly and dismissively threads are closed here to persons seeking information about joining the nursing profession with a negative criminal background. allnurses.com seems to have instituted this as a policy.

I'm struck that that people who have made mistakes yet are seeking to grow and change in a new career are met with such forceful discouragement. I can only chalk this up to horizontal violence.

Much of the information given as the questioner was muzzled is now aged, checkered, jaded, and incorrect. Grant that these posts are years old and times change. Several Boards of Nursing now post audio and/or video of their their meetings online for review.

It's easy to listen to real, current cases where an exemption is the norm and a denial is the exception. Such a broad brush of disiformation across some 49 other states because a few individuals have personal experience in a single state is little less than hubris.

From my research and listening/viewing hours of board meetings, once bad behavior is five to seven years in the past, an honest accounting of the crime and solid, documented record of good behavior hence is all that's required to be conditionally granted a license. If the crime involved controlled substance abuse, using, selling, or buying, the rule exemption almost always included abuse program intervention or some extra monitoring or probationary period.

I hope some might read this and be softened in heart to those who were once ill of mind or spirit, are healed, and want to move ahead in caring for others.

My advice to potential nurses is to contact an attorney who represents clients to the medical boards in cases of misconduct. Seek out an advocate for you who's on your side. He or she should charge at most if at all an hour's fee and tell you how to apply, what to say, and to return to his or her office only if you are denied and want to prepare an appeal. This will be the what's what today in your state from a professional trained to counsel with the nursing board and represent you to them.

This is not about having a soft heart. The TOS clearly states that legal issues are not for this forum. Frankly, it is not a prudent idea to discuss such sensitive material on a public forum. These kinds of problems require professional legal advice and contact with a BON. Preventing people from having open discussion of the said topics is in fact a way of protecting the involved individual.

[Logan]

Hi,

I'm suprised at how quickly and dismissively threads are closed here to persons seeking information about joining the nursing profession with a negative criminal background. allnurses.com seems to have instituted this as a policy.

I'm struck that that people who have made mistakes yet are seeking to grow and change in a new career are met with such forceful discouragement. I can only chalk this up to horizontal violence.

Horizontal violence? Me thinks you doth protest too much.

As Gila already pointed out, profering medical/legal advice is against the Terms of Service of these boards. It's one thing to seek support and commiserate - it's quite another to seek legal/medical advice.

Frankly, I don't know why anyone would want to listen to advice offered over the internet - there is no way to verify or back up any claims made. How can you check the credentials of the person offering advice? I mean for all you know, said person could be a 18 year old art student with a vivid imagination and great BS skills.

It is for similar reasons that Doctors don't offer medical advice over the internet.

Lastly, I'm sure the owner of this website is concerned about potential lawsuits resulting from "advice" given here.

All that being said:

My advice to potential nurses is to contact an attorney who represents clients to the medical boards in cases of misconduct. Seek out an advocate for you who's on your side. He or she should charge at most if at all an hour's fee and tell you how to apply, what to say, and to return to his or her office only if you are denied and want to prepare an appeal. This will be the what's what today in your state from a professional trained to counsel with the nursing board and represent you to them.

I think this is good, appropriate counsel. Talk to professionals in real life.

thanks,

Matthew

[traumaRUs, MSN, APRN]

Agreed. I often wonder why in the world people would ask or take medical or legal advice over the internet....hunh??? I truly am what I say I am, but ya know, who knows who you are talking too - its not like my credentials come to you via your dvd slot!!!

[wonderbee, BSN, RN]

In all fairness, there are those who have been admitted to our profession who cannot claim perfect squeaky clean records with the law. I think it is to those individuals that people like the OP are appealing to for a response. They're not asking how they got in, just did they get in. There is a difference between offering hope and offering legal advice. I think it sends the wrong message to simply shut down the conversation without really examining what it is the poster is requesting.