PRE-NURSING CNA - beneficial or harmful

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So, here's the deal. I live in AZ. trying to find and get into a nursing program has become the greatest single challenge of my life. The biggest challenge is trying to get the individual schools to wave the traditional requirement of having a CNA. For most schools that i have checked with they site 2 reasons for requiring this. The first is that the state board of nursing requires that all nursing students have this prior to application. I checked with the board and as suspected, this is only a smoke screen by the individual schools to promote some other agenda. There is no requirement from the AZ. state board of nursing to have a CNA prior to entering the nursing program. Secondly, according to these schools, they want to make sure that we as students don't get into the program and waste someones time, ie the school the teadhers, and block a space that could be given to someone else. the way i see it, this also is a smoke screen to generate more revenue for the school. By requiring all students to have this, it would double the revenue. and lets dace it being a cna is hardly giving the proper experience nessessary to give any student the foreknowledge of what a nurse really does. I was a med tech in the Air Force for 8 years. As such i assisted in more than most people even dream about. yet that requirement is left unfilled because no one will accept that part of my life as proper training. I found only one school out of more than 20 that i looked at that waived that requirement, Weber State.

So, I put it to everyone, does having a CNA really prepare a nursing student for what comes next? Or, does it do more harm than good?

One more thing... I'd keep it kind of quiet when you do start your RN that you have experience... some instructors will go out of their way to treat you as if you do not know anything. I have seem some unassuming experienced people hung out to dry in this way.

That's a good point. Someone else on this forum mentioned the same thing.

I am a student in NAU's BSN program in AZ and it is a competitive program that takes students based on how well they did on the requirements, like GPA of pre-reqs, and it does not bias on if you got your pre-reqs done at that school or not. It does not require the CNA license neither does any other of AZ's state universities or Community colleges that I have seen. The State schools are all competitive and the community colleges are on a 2 year waiting period. NAU currently has satellite nursing campuses in Tucson, Navajo Nation and Yuma. The Yuma site accepts 10 people a semester and so far they have not filled that since no one applies for that campus so they have taken people as long as the minimum requirements were met. So that may be a consideration for you if you are willing to move.

"So, I put it to everyone, does having a CNA really prepare a nursing student for what comes next? Or, does it do more harm than good?"

I did not have any medical experience when entering school and I have not has any problems. Given your experience you should not have any problems. It was slightly harder knowing what to do around a patient at first but I quickly learned that skill. I also know some clinical instructors who did not like the CNA's in my class and others because in the beginning they would just sit there like they already knew everything and not participate in lab activities. We are also taught all the skills a CNA does in the first few weeks. I know many people who were turned off from being a CNA even though a nurse might hardly ever do a CNA's duties. Also at least one community college in AZ does not even teach CNA skills that are not pertinent to a Nurse's duties stating that they do not need to know it because they can delegate to a CNA. This I do not agree with at all.

Thanks for your input. I planned on keeping my experience to myself. I just don't know how to do that. Taking a blood pressure, basic pharmacology, ekg interpretation, etc, how do I keep it private that I know all that stuff? What do I do? Play dumb? If you have any suggestions here, I would sooooo be grateful!

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Honestly, you simply keep your mouth shut. When you are "learning" the skills, just watch, listen, and learn like it's the first time. Your instructors may teach significant pathophys along with skills or they may just leave it as a skills-only situation, but no one is ever so good that they don't learn at least *something.* If you do well on your first skills return, take the opportunity to help your classmates. Lift as you climb.

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Thanks for your input. I planned on keeping my experience to myself. I just don't know how to do that. Taking a blood pressure, basic pharmacology, ekg interpretation, etc, how do I keep it private that I know all that stuff? What do I do? Play dumb? If you have any suggestions here, I would sooooo be grateful!

Honestly, you simply keep your mouth shut. When you are "learning" the skills, just watch, listen, and learn like it's the first time. Your instructors may teach significant pathophys along with skills or they may just leave it as a skills-only situation, but no one is ever so good that they don't learn at least *something.* If you do well on your first skills return, take the opportunity to help your classmates. Lift as you climb.

As KateRN stated, just say nothing. No reason why you can't be one that picks up quickly. It is true, some of the professors will seek you out to make your life miserable and the students will drain you. In addition, believe me, there is ALWAYS more to learn. You may have an excellent springboard or foundation, but you will learn more. In fact, I think that school sometimes showed me how little I actually knew...LOL!! Good luck!:up:

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