Accepted Columbia ETP applicants (and current students: some advice). get-together? - page 6
:welcome: Hi everyone! I thought it might be a good idea to get our own separate thread for those accepted to Columbia ETP! Sure we have a lot to discuss! I would also like to invite current... Read More
Feb 12, '07Joined: Jul '06; Posts: 60; Likes: 41Quote from BeaconStreetI know a few people who have left the program after the 1st year and got their BSN. There have been talk about awarding the BSN only after completion of the MSN protion, but I don't know if they changed this yet. Also, isn't there a requirement for midwifery and anesthesia tracks to have 1 year of work experience after the 1st year? shouldn't they receive bsn?At Columbia you can switch your specialty after the first year, and you get a BS, although only at the end of the program. ?
Feb 12, '07Joined: Dec '06; Posts: 27At the info session I attended in December they said they had switched the BSN to the end of the program. The admissions guy did say that they wanted to discourage people leaving after 1 year and that's why they had made the change. I don't know what happens to those who leave the program early under the new policy.
The work requirements are in neo-natal and CRNA. They def. get their RN certification before starting the work requirement, but I'm not sure about the BSN.
Feb 13, '07Joined: Jun '06; Posts: 47; Likes: 11Wow. I got some pretty discouraging opinions from a current ETP student that I've been talking to. She said:
"yes...it's completly disfunctional. in 26 days I'll be back home for spring break, and then I have two months worth of integration and I'll be done.
It's a nightmare.
I wish I'd gone ANYwhere else.
Worth the money?
$98,000 and most of this stuff is thrown at you so fast you have to self-teach.
If you got in anywhere else, I'd give them a good hard
consideration...and FNP is an FNP is an FNP."
She also said she wished she'd taken the warnings to heart when she started. This is adding to several discouraging opinions I've heard about the ETP program. I'm SO conflicted because of it. I haven't heard enough positive to outweigh the negative at this point, so it's making my decision really difficult, as Columbia has a great namesake, but I don't want to pay $100K to be frustrated and bitter about the program and my decision for 2-3 years.
Feb 13, '07Joined: Feb '06; Posts: 38; Likes: 4my expectation is that in any accelerated program, you would have to do some degree of self teaching. its fast...that's why its an accelerated program.
Feb 13, '07Occupation: Research Assistant for Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center Specialty: Pediatrics, Neo-Natal ; Joined: Sep '06; Posts: 20
Feb 13, '07Occupation: hospice nurse Specialty: Adult/Gerontology ANP Student ; Joined: Jan '07; Posts: 23; Likes: 9I agree, anniepants.
I'm actually planning on reviewing my A&P between now and then. After all, we're
getting the 'compressed' version of a bachelor's in 12 months. I expect it will be
fast, furious, and exciting all at once.
Feb 13, '07Joined: Jul '06; Posts: 60; Likes: 41Ok, now this isgoing to be a really stupid question. But, what the heck, I'm still anonymous. :roll
Ok, on Columbia's nursing school website there is a link "accepted etp applicants log-in". How do you get the username and password for that log in? I tried the ones I used for application and it didn't work.
Feb 13, '07Occupation: hospice nurse Specialty: Adult/Gerontology ANP Student ; Joined: Jan '07; Posts: 23; Likes: 9I think we'll be given that information once we've officially accepted the admission by giving them the deposit.
Feb 13, '07Joined: Jun '06; Posts: 47; Likes: 11I wish they'd give us more information before we have 2 weeks to make a decision!! I feel like so much is hidden.
Feb 13, '07Specialty: 1 year(s) of experience in Emergency ; Joined: Aug '06; Posts: 78; Likes: 13I sent in my deposit yesterday, so I'm guessing that I should be receiving my login info within the next week or two. Once I log-in, I'll let you all know what's hidden behind that locked door
Besides hearing both positive and negative reviews (which make me a little nervous), as someone said before, you will always hear more - than +. I think that the first year is going to be extremely difficult, because it's 2 years in 1, so there will be a lot of self-teaching. Plus this is being taught as part of a graduate program, which means little to no hand holding - but isn't that what we want in our careers?
My BF is a second year med student at a presitgious uni here in NYC and he self-teaches all the time. I think in the end, it really is for the namesake. You can become an RN at any CC and eventually move up to to NP or DrNP status - yes it will take longer, but it will also cost a lot less. So why apply to Columbia or any other ivy knowing that you will be shelling out a ton of $$, in the first place?
Feb 13, '07Joined: Jun '06; Posts: 47; Likes: 11Yeah, I don't mind the self teaching at all, I'm completely prepared for that and wouldn't expect anything less. My main point was that I've heard a lot of students that have been extremely dissatisfied and frustrated with the program, which makes me sad, because I would GLADLY shell out the money for an excellent program, which I thought Columbia would be! But now, with all that I'm hearing, I'm second guessing my decisions. It would be interesting to know the dropout rate.
I realize that in anything, you hear the negative more than the positive, but the negative that I've heard has been REALLY bad. I feel like there's no right decision here.
Feb 13, '07Joined: Nov '06; Posts: 25Hello Kurlyz26,
Well, I'm still not sure which school to choose. I hope to have all my questions about Columbia answered on visitation day. I really think it would help to meet up! Let me know if you're interested.
I chose psychiatric mental health nursing, which is such a rarely chosen specialty that I wasn't able to learn that much about the clinical experience based on my encounters with students who were mostly in pediatrics or midwifery. The two students I did have a chance to meet in my specialty were doing child psychiatry and I'm interested in adult psychiatry.
As for housing, I plan on living at Harkness if I go to Yale, at least for the first year so that I can meet as many students as possible. I'm not a fan of dorm living, but I think it's the best option when faced with such an accelerated, demanding educational program. Food is available (I heard there aren't really any cheap grocery stores nearby) in the dorm cafeteria, there's a gym, a dunkin donuts steps away (very important!!), and the nursing school is fairly close! I also don't have the luxury of flying back to New Haven to check out housing in March. My work is already fed up with my having to leave yet again to jet off to New York (I'm in Illinois currently). So, it looks like it will be the dorm of me. If it's Columbia, then housing options are a lot more varied and I might end up living with several friends who already live in the area. At least I have some idea of how to go about finding decent housing in NYC, although it can be daunting!
Just a note on students' opinions of the ETP program. I think no matter what, most people will describe it as a particularly stressful, almost overwhelming process, especially when you factor in the academic standards of a school like Columbia. I'd be surprised if someone didn't describe it as such. That said, I'd like to know more specifically what people didn't like about it.
Feb 13, '07Joined: Nov '06; Posts: 25Another comment... I just wanted to say that cozzy66 makes an important point. She said her boyfriend is experiencing some of these same issues in med school. Four of my friends are currently in medical school, very good schools in fact, and they have the same complaints. Too much information to learn in such a short length of time, too many guest lectures, constant stress, bad teachers, a lot of self teaching (definitely true!!), etc. I think it's just the nature of the health care profession, whether it be nursing or medicine. There is so much to learn!