poor man's dignity

[panzer]

its in the news everyday!surgeons and OR staff celebrating for their ludicrous achievement....

1.invasion of privacy 2.patients rights.3. code of ethics etc (pls add some more), these are some of the issues that doctors and nurses (from now infamous Vicente sotto hospital in cebu) violated. that put the victim into a great emotional distress.my husband and i were so thawrted from the hospital's admin when we heared that the surgeons and others who were involved will more or less only have administrative case.

one of the priests even wnts to procecute the victim. the real issue here is the foolishness of the surgeons and nurses but not his sexual orientation!

downloading the video for the youtube only added insult to the injury but somehow it helped to nail down and pressure even more the staff of the VCMH. what i want personally...for them is to revocation of their licenses and not suspension from work.(i hope surgeons will not shift into nursing)

the nurses and doctors saved the poor man's health but they killed him from humiliation and stripping his dignity.

what can you say?

[Corey Narry, MSN, RN, NP]

Both parties are to blame, the man who is crazy enough to put a canister of his rectum....Now, about talking about dignity, think first before one put something behind his butt. The moment the person put that thing in his rectum he loses all the symphaty he could get from a "conservative" society that looks at gays as clowns.

You seriously believe this? regardless of the circumstances surrounding how this poor man ended up under the hospital staff's care, he is a still a human being deserving respect. Rep, I hope you don't really believe what you said here.

[lovethisjob]

The healthcare personnel (surgeons, anesthesiologists, nurses) involved in this hideous exercise should be punished to the fullest extent possible.

Let us all stand up to uphold the dignity of our profession. Hopefully, people from outside will not look at Filipinos with disgust and just "merely hungry for attention". What a shame!

[panzer, RN]

not only the CI but also the headnurse of the OR (if she/he was on duty that day) why did she/he allowed the others to enter the area?

and with regard to the student nurse i heared that shes not going to graduate from the college anymore...in other word 'kickedout'!!

[suzanne4, RN]

We all knew that she would be removed from her program, but the others that were in the room, as well as in charge; should also be removed from their posts and even have licenses removed by the government. Until that is done, it will just be bad for everyone else there that is involved in healthcare.

Too bad that the hospital is short-staffed, that is their issue. But to have unprofessional people on staff there just makes them look very bad, and this behavior would not be tolerated anywhere else in the world.

[pinoy_guy]

doh identifies four more in cebu surgery scandal

in a press briefing, lawyer ronald de vera of the doh legal service division identified the four as

dr marlowe parreño, vsmmc consultant;

isabelita remulta, senior operating room nurse supervisor;

consuelo tecling, senior operating room nurse; and

ida sumayang, senior operating room nurse on call.

last april 16, the doh initially revealed three doctors and two nurses involved in the january operation. they were

dr philips leo arias, head surgeon;

dr angelo alinawagan, assisting surgeon;

dr max joseph montecillo, surgeon at an adjacent operating room;

nursing attendant rosemarie villareal; and

circulating nurse carmiña sapio.

de vera said they are still in the process of identifying who among the nine identified people or the student nurses present in the operating room uploaded the video clip on the internet.

he said they have already commissioned the national bureau of investigation's computer crimes division to help them identify the culprit.

the doh had said that the embroiled individuals would be facing administrative charges for a breach of protocol and procedures during a medical operation and for using cell phone cameras without the patient's consent.

no mention of the clinical instructor yet.

it kinda sucks to be the senior operating room nurse on call and surgeon at an adjacent operating room.

[panzer, RN]

doh identifies four more in cebu surgery scandal

no mention of the clinical instructor yet.

it kinda sucks to be the senior operating room nurse on call and surgeon at an adjacent operating room.

with this scandal (and those that were not published....) may these serve as a very good lesson to all of us.

[miss longshadow]

I do not agree with your statement that the CI should lose his/her license. The CI has up to a possible 10 students at one time. He or she can not physically be with all of the students at one time. The student was in the operating room with several so called professionals. It seems no one in the room was acting appropriately. How can the CI be responsible for this person's inappropriateness when other's in the room were out of control? This student is responsible for their own behavior. We have such a problem in this country with handling responsibility, we are always looking for someone to blame! If you really believe the CI is at fault, please feel free to explain how they could have controlled this situation that was quite probably out of their sight. Maybe they were with another student putting in a foley catheter or something else. Did that ever occur to any of you who think he or she should be held accountable??

[lawrence01]

As far as I know, the protocol is nursing student/s assisting on O.R. always have their CI with them. I do not know what the standards are in Gov't hospitals in the provinces but I have never seen nursing students rotating in the OR, assisting and w/o the CI there supervising them.

If she's not there, then that leaves another question on why she is not there supervising the nursing student.

It is always presumed that the CI is there supervising the student, other wise she is not doing her job. Nursing students on rotation and esp. if assisting in the OR even though they are just there to assist the health care personnels to properly scrub-in are suppose to still have their CI with them and supervising them. After the HC team has scrubbed in, the nursing student usually stays to observe what the OR nursing Staff are doing then he scrubs out after observing what the OR Staff actually do. Nursing students do not usually stay for the whole of the OR, unless it's a very short procedure such as this one and usually it is the short ORs that nursing students rotate to so that they can observe what happens in a typical OR case from start to finish.

[suzanne4, RN]

The students are always in a room, no matter if observing or doing a procedure under the direction and license of their nursing instructor. And it is the responsibility of the CI, as you call them there, to make sure that the students are behaving appropriately.

She missed this one by a long shot, what in the world was the student doing with their cell phone in the OR in the first place?

Sorry, but she is the one that is legally responsible for the actions of her student, and she will never be able to work out of your country, no matter what her intentions were. Her student made a mistake that turns out to be very costly for everyone around. And the others that were in the room and participated in this abuse of the patient need to lose their licenses as well. It is time that your government took action for things like this happening there in the first place, and not remain complacent.

This is already being spoken of around the world and it makes it very hard for any of you to get hired now, and it will be even harder if the government does not take action against those that are involved with incidents like this.

It is not permitted in any other country and no reason why those from your country do not need to take responsibility for their actions.

And chances are that the CI actually has no clinical experience to begin with in the OR and no skills there either since this seems to be the norm over there. Graduate, and do not work as an RN, but teach.

[truper72]

".....what in the world was the student doing with their cell phone in the OR in the first place?"

Great point to stress. I have seen several students in the ward making themselves busy with their mobile phones instead of doing their tasks. What makes it worse is seeing their CI's ignore such act simply because he/she is also into it.

Schools of nursing should have a strict policy on the use of mobile phones during hospital affiliations!!!

[truper72]

I do not agree with your statement that the CI should lose his/her license. The CI has up to a possible 10 students at one time. He or she can not physically be with all of the students at one time. The student was in the operating room with several so called professionals. It seems no one in the room was acting appropriately. How can the CI be responsible for this person's inappropriateness when other's in the room were out of control? This student is responsible for their own behavior. We have such a problem in this country with handling responsibility, we are always looking for someone to blame! If you really believe the CI is at fault, please feel free to explain how they could have controlled this situation that was quite probably out of their sight. Maybe they were with another student putting in a foley catheter or something else. Did that ever occur to any of you who think he or she should be held accountable??

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With due respect, Clinical Instructors are accountable for every misconduct that his/her students commit; just as Registered Nurses are being held accountable for each of the patients assigned to her.

Accountability covers not only what you can physically reach; it covers everything that goes with your chosen profession.

[lawrence01]

For those that do not know, there are CIs that are granted "C.I." status right after graduation. Everyone knows these.

And just to top off things, there are also people that teaches nursing subjects who still don't have the M.A.N degree yet but are teaching nursing subjects. Everyone knows this is happening as well.

How about so-called NCLEX-reviewers that haven't even passed the NCLEX yet or may not have actually taken it yet.

Those who have graduated a long time ago and do not believe this is happening now, pls. try and ask around on what actually are happening now before alleging someone that they do not know what is happening in the Philippines. This may not actually happen all the time on every school but it does happen more than people might think.