PNA, elevated temp and potential for D/C

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I was working on a med-surg floor the other night and one of my pts was an 85yo male with PNA who had been there for a few days, can't remember if he had abx during his course of tx but I believe he did.

Anyway, my shift started at 2300, listened to report (we use voice recorded report system), where I heard he had a fever (102.0) during day shift but was expected to D/C the next day. I took his temp at beginning of my shift, it was 100.0. He slept for most of my shift, and things got busy so I didn't get to his 0400 vitals...when I recorded report for day shift, I mentioned he had a fever during day shift and that for me, his temp was 100.0 but that I had heard he might be going home, etc.

When I go to give the day shift nurse updates, she says "So you think they're going to send him home with a fever?" I told her that while it was elevated, his temp was more borderline fever (orders are to give Tyl for temp >101) and that...well...I don't know, that's just what I heard from day shift and MD progress notes. She insisted that we wouldn't send people home with a fever.

I was just passing along what I heard, but also giving my objective description of his temp. I suppose any anticipation for D/C would change if his AM temp was back to 102, or other vitals were a bit off. I guess I was looking at it like this - he's 85, he had PNA, his temp is going down...his PNA wasn't totally resolved in that he still had a wet cough (though not very productive). But why wouldn't we D/C him to recover at home if his vitals are stable and any abx are finished?

I'm a new nurse (less than 1 yr) and I'm already self-conscious about my nursing judgment (and I know giving orders to D/C are out of my scope of practice :rolleyes:) but...am I wrong to think this guy should stay longer because his temp was 100? Am I being lazy and dangerous here??

Specializes in ICU/CCU, Med Surg.
There see.....now you learned for the next time. It's so easy to get over whelmed and when you are new....difficult to sort out. A CNA couls have grabbed the temp or you could have grabbed it a little later. The day nurse you gave report to should have been kinder to you and explained to you how to differently view this patients case instead of snapping.

By the way.......it's the biggest reason I left med surg all those year ago 6 months into nursing and NEVER went back......:smokin:

I would have LOVED a CNA that night; we have one CNA come in at 0400 for the entire med surg dept and she first goes to the wing that's slammed the most, then helps out whoever else needs help (which is almost everyone...). So, she didn't make it to our wing that morning.

And yeah, the day nurse could have been kinder. When she first said it, I inwardly clutched my pearls with a "Well, I never...!" but outwardly I just let it roll off my back. If I internalize it every time another nurse is snippy with me, then I'm not going to last very long in this profession, right? :cool:

Specializes in ICU/CCU, Med Surg.
Vital signs and assessment are important as well as calling the MD with any changes in the pt condition. As far as the oncoming nurse asking you if you think we are going to discharge him with a fever I would have responded : "not my call to make MD notified his decision".

Well, I wouldn't contact the MD in the middle of the night unless the change reflected a deterioration in the pt's condition. If the temp at 2300 was still 102, I'd follow the orders for Tylenol and watch this guy more closely and see what happens.

Yeah, I think it was sort of a stupid question for her to ask me...obviously we wouldn't d/c him if he had an obvious fever or was getting worse...I'm thinking his 100.0 temp at 2300 might have changed in the AM (which is why I'm kicking myself for not doing those vitals!).

This may sound like a stupid question, but I'm posing this because I think there is some discrepancy among health professionals as to what constitutes a fever: what do you think is a fever? I think it's anything above 99 F.

Or maybe my question is...does fever need to be totally eliminated before discharge from the hospital?

Specializes in ICU.

Wait, 5 patients on the night shift in med-surg??????

That is the best ratio I have EVER heard of in med-surg!

Specializes in ICU.

oh, and 102 is a pretty significant fever in a 85 y.o. and should have been reported immediately to the ID or primary.

Specializes in ICU/CCU, Med Surg.
Wait, 5 patients on the night shift in med-surg??????

That is the best ratio I have EVER heard of in med-surg!

I know, I know...but keep in mind I am a wimp. And we don't have a CNA. And these were a particularly sick bunch, etc.

Again, I *hate* med surg.

Specializes in ICU/CCU, Med Surg.
oh, and 102 is a pretty significant fever in a 85 y.o. and should have been reported immediately to the ID or primary.

The 102 was notified to MD during day shift before my night shift began.

Specializes in ICU/CCU, Med Surg.

Also, we go up to 7:1 at nights at my hospital. Which, from what I've heard is the norm.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
Well, I wouldn't contact the MD in the middle of the night unless the change reflected a deterioration in the pt's condition. If the temp at 2300 was still 102, I'd follow the orders for Tylenol and watch this guy more closely and see what happens.

Yeah, I think it was sort of a stupid question for her to ask me...obviously we wouldn't d/c him if he had an obvious fever or was getting worse...I'm thinking his 100.0 temp at 2300 might have changed in the AM (which is why I'm kicking myself for not doing those vitals!).

This may sound like a stupid question, but I'm posing this because I think there is some discrepancy among health professionals as to what constitutes a fever: what do you think is a fever? I think it's anything above 99 F.

Or maybe my question is...does fever need to be totally eliminated before discharge from the hospital?

Some MD's don't consider it a temp until 101.0 but it also depends on the patients diagnosis and whether or not they are immunocompromised. You maybe discharged with a temp as long as it is "reasonable". The ED discharges people with temps all the time but they would probably think twice if it's 102 or above after treatment.

I know Medsurg stinks. That's why I went to critical care 6 months after graduation and NEVER looked back but just because you didn't have a CNA to take your temps will not help you if something bad would have happened sovital signs are really important. Even if you just popped in sometime between 4 and 6 for a quick temp...at least it was done. You recognize that you could have maybe done differently and will probably do doifferent in the furture......That's the sign of a good nurse....;)

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