Please explain Baker College to me

[MySimplePlan]

Can somebody please explain Baker College to me? I really don't know much about it, except that you have to earn all these points to increase your chances of being accepted into their nursing program.

It just seems that Baker College has just popped up, but I know that can't be true. How long has it been around? Who owns it? Why is the tuition so HIDEOUSLY expensive there? What other programs do they have? How many nursing students do they accept a year? Do they accept transfer credits?

Why do you like it so much? What don't you like about it?

[Deb Laf111]

Hi Gemberly,

Congrats on the great GPA & Hesi Score. Sounds like you will probably be getting in. I was wondering what the form you mentioned is used for.

" There is a form you can fill out at MCC (and I am sure other schools have this too, but the person you talk to if someone needs it, might not know about it.) It is called a SATISFACTORY PROGRESS APPEAL FORM.

I just wanted to add that in there, for other people who eventually search for information. :) "

[shannonmarie7]

:giggles: I scored a 96 on the Hesi and have a 4.0 in the classes to figure my ranking at MCC, so I am almost positive I will get in there, if I fail to get in at Baker. BUT, if in April, if I find out that for some reason, I don't get in, I will meet you at Starbucks on HFCC campus.

LOL

I heard it is a great school. :)

Okay...if you somehow manage not to get into either school you and I are carpooling to HFCC!!....lol.

[gemberly]

Hi Gemberly,

Congrats on the great GPA & Hesi Score. Sounds like you will probably be getting in. I was wondering what the form you mentioned is used for.

" There is a form you can fill out at MCC (and I am sure other schools have this too, but the person you talk to if someone needs it, might not know about it.) It is called a SATISFACTORY PROGRESS APPEAL FORM.

I just wanted to add that in there, for other people who eventually search for information. :) "

If you go to MCC (or most public colleges) and you have taken over 93 credits and not graduated, then you haven't made satisfactory progress and will most likely be denied financial aid. They consider all credits at every school you have ever attended.

These include:

• Attempted Credit Hours include the following, whether or not paid for by financial aid:
  
• Classes with an earned letter grade of A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, D+, D, D- or P
  
• Classes with an unearned letter grade of E, W, I, or F
  
• Repeated classes
  
• Classes transferred from other colleges or universities
  
• Classes paid with student's own money
  

On MCC's website, on the page with the forms for financial aid it states:

Appeal Forms

The forms below are for special appeal circumstances. If the student was denied financial aid due to failure to meet satisfactory academic progress or because the independent student or parent(s) of the dependent student lost his/her job, an appeal can be filed. The forms cannot be submitted until the student's application has been processed and the student is denied financial aid. Any appeal for 2008-09 cannot be submitted before June 1, 2008.

This was obviously for the current year's academic class.

http://www.macomb.edu/Current+Students/Student+Services/Financial+Aid+And+Scholarships/Forms.htm

I hope that explains it better. I have 94 including the 66 that I have taken at Baker College. Which puts me over the limit. I know that other people might be in my position, too, and I thought it would be a good idea to share this information. Another poster on another thread, had mentioned that she thought that the advisor at the school would mention it for sure, if you needed it, but some probably don't.

[shannonmarie7]

Is that for just recent schooling or is it for all college over your whole life? I went to school and became a Dental Assistant, I have already paid back that financial aid though and recieved my certificate. I am looking at 59 just from Baker's pre-reqs, and I was going to work on some of the core classes for the bachelors program while I wait, so will that mess it up for when I actually get in the program?

Can you appeal it? What happens if you are over then get in the program, it would then be considered progressing right?

[gemberly]

Here is a link to the policy:

http://www.macomb.edu/NR/rdonlyres/048B611D-FBC8-49DE-A29D-166010D757D3/0/SatisfatoryAcademicProgressPolicy.pdf

From what I understand it counts for anyone who didn't get a bachelor's degree. Unless I read it wrong.

The link that I posted earlier, is the link to the appeals form that you have to fill out.

If I can't get that, I will be paying for it on my own. If I don't get the appeal, and I don't get into Baker, then I will probably try to switch to a different program at Baker and try taking 6 credit hours at a time, while I go to MCC. Which will be a challenge. I really need to the income from my financial aid to help me, while I go to school.

If you are over and get into the program, and then appeal, you might have a shot. First, there is evidence (at least for me) that I have turned around my bad habits (by my last 66 credits) and I also I have a plan set up (the program). So hopefully that will be enough.

[tonyal]

Thanks for your explanation!

Why don't you come to HFCC? (You must live far away, darn it.)

HFCC needs to start suplementing you for this recruitment your doing.:chuckle seriously though the waitlist isn't as bad as people say and there are many classes you can take online as prereqs. I drive quite a ways and i am going to start recording the lectures and listening to them on the way.

[shannonmarie7]

I think that this is more towards what they call a "professional student" that switches majors a lot or does not want to declare a major, or keeps getting below a 2.0 and basically has no expectation of ever completely graduating.

I had a girl that I worked it that went on probation because she messed around a lot and got bad grades so she was kicked off financial aid. She had to pay for the next semester classes herself and sign something that she was going to try harder before they would give her financial aide back. I'm sure if you go to financial aid and talk about it and explain that you want to work on a bachelors degree or towards a different major while you wait to get into the course they will let you. It is really silly that they cut off at 93 since the nursing program alone is 108 and you are not guaranteed in the first time so you really have to do something to keep from paying it back while you are waiting.

I'm not sure if my old classes for the dental assisting would count because I am not transferring them to any college here, they are just for that specific program.

When I talked to the counselor at Baker about starting the core classes for the bachelors she said that Baker financial aid only allows you to take additional 12 credit hours that are off your step program, anything after that you have to switch out of the nursing to have it paid, and then switch back again when you go to reapply.

Here is a link to the policy:

http://www.macomb.edu/NR/rdonlyres/048B611D-FBC8-49DE-A29D-166010D757D3/0/SatisfatoryAcademicProgressPolicy.pdf

From what I understand it counts for anyone who didn't get a bachelor's degree. Unless I read it wrong.

The link that I posted earlier, is the link to the appeals form that you have to fill out.

If I can't get that, I will be paying for it on my own. If I don't get the appeal, and I don't get into Baker, then I will probably try to switch to a different program at Baker and try taking 6 credit hours at a time, while I go to MCC. Which will be a challenge. I really need to the income from my financial aid to help me, while I go to school.

If you are over and get into the program, and then appeal, you might have a shot. First, there is evidence (at least for me) that I have turned around my bad habits (by my last 66 credits) and I also I have a plan set up (the program). So hopefully that will be enough.

[gemberly]

You are right, they do only allow you 12 extra at Baker. But Macomb doesn't do that, you can take classes all you want, but once you get to the 93, you aren't eligible for FA anymore unless you appeal. In order for me to get financial aid, I will have to file an appeal. I will. But I want to wait until I get my acceptance letter. LOL I am sure it is targeted for the "career students" but, the objective criteria puts me on that list!! I am sure that with the appeal, I will be fine. I am going to put both MCC and Baker on the FAFSA this year, and if I get a denail from MCC then, I will know what I have to do, if I go there.

I also was told by the counselors at MCC that I had to put down EVERY school that I had credits at, or they could possibly hold it against me if they found out that I had taken classes and didn't send my transcript to the school. I would ask if I were you. You definitely wouldn't want to have to give up a spot because you didn't send them.

They made me send even the 1 class that I took at SC4, 19 years ago!

[shannonmarie7]

Okay, I get it but that is stupid how they do it at MCC...lol. They have the transcripts from all of the schools I went to but none of the classes are anything that would transfer to MCC to be used because they are all geared to a specific program that I already finished. Hmm, I wonder how that will affect my financial aid, seems stupid if you already paid it back or paid for it out of pocket.

[gemberly]

If you look at the policy of all community colleges in our area, it is the same thing.

On one of the pages I linked to, it tells how many credits they take from each school, it is some percentage or something... It didn't mention if the classes were something that could be used for the program or not, just that they needed to have the transcripts.

The funny part is that all the classes aside from the ones at Baker, that I have taken, I paid for out of pocket. I don't really understand why I should be denied FA after I spent all that money there, out of my own pocket.

[happymomof3]

Hi Everyone,

Hope all is well. It has been a while since I have posted, just trying to keep my mind off waiting for the letters from Baker to arrive as I am sure everyone else is, also. I have read about the cutoff requirement for financial aid and I am starting to panic. I have 59 credits from Baker(just prereq's). I have not attended another college. I rely solely on stafford loans to pay tuition and the only grant I receive is the Michigan Tuition Grant. Will I still be able to get loans to pay for the nursing program? I already have to start paying for just my prereq's because my grace period is up. I also cannot afford the tuition out of pocket being that I am a stay at home mom. I really cannot afford to start repaying now, first payment is due Feb 6. HAHA. Any info would greatly be appreciated and good luck to you.

[gemberly]

If you get into the program at Baker, then you shouldn't have a problem. The limit on the financial aid varies per the school, not the government (I am not even sure how they run the program or what their rules are, as they give those to the school, and then the school decides how they do things within those limits!). Baker has their program set up so you can only take an additional 12 credits, so that you will fall into the whatever the limit they have set is. You can take more classes and pay for them out of pocket, and it doesn't affect your financial aid (as I understand it.)