Patient Safety

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The hospital I work for has a goal for admitting patients from the ED. All patients admitted via the ED, the hospital wants these patients to be on floor, in the bed within 60 minutes of informing ED and my med/surg unit that this patient was being admitted. This is a great goal, because so many times patients have to linger in the ED for hours, and most of time may not be very comfortable on stretcher as they would be in a bed on the floor.

Here is the problem: about 2 weeks ago, I came into work, my nurse:patient ratio is 1:6. I was sitting at the nurses station with night shift nurse receiving report. The unit clerk this hands me a index card to inform me of a new admit from the ED. I took card a set it aside and continued receiving report and reviewing the last 24 hrs of orders. When we were on the last patient, the other day time nurse took answered phone from ED. The nurse told the ED nurse that the nurse who would be getting patient was in report, she was about to say could you hold on when the ED nurse started screaming at her, yelling saying getting the patient up to floor in 60 minutes was a priority over getting report for patients already on floor. I took the phone from the nurse I would be working with, and I talked to the ED nurse. He proceeded to tell me how he needed to get that patient up to floor now, and how getting patient up in 60 minutes were more important. He said if somebody doesn't take report I will just be bringing patient up. I told him I would be receiving patient and I needed him to hold on as I was in middle of report and I had not even gotten the fax they are required to send for me to review and ask any questions. He just continued to be very rude so I told him again to hold on, he just wouldn't he said what ever I was doing could be postponed and I could look at sheet after taking report. Finally I just told him that NOTHING is more important that patient safety and that unless I was given oppurtunity now to review patient data I would not take patient right now, I told him if has a problem he could call my charge nurse, and I gave him the extension and hung up.

This scenario keeps happening at the hospital I work for. Most times when the ED is not busy, they take their time bringing the patient up and I usually have to chase down the nurse to get report. When it is busy they want everyone up to floor immediately.

My problem is I feel like I am being rushed to take patients and I end up having more questions about patient from nurse in ED, but for the most part after they fax transport/report sheet you will see ED techs bringing the new patient. The techs of course can not really answer any questions I have for the previous nurse.

So since I have not gotten adequate report I don't except responsibility for patient, I tell the ED tech and my charge nurse (well charge nurse in training) that I cannot safely take care of patient. The reason I did this was patient safety. On a previous occassion around change of shift, I got a patient from ED, I got the info as I was going for lunch. When I came back there was no transport/report sheet, no chart, and I couldn't find the index card, so I went back to taken care of the patients I had before. Around 630p light goes off in room at end of hall, which is were the new patient. I went in to room and the patient and her husband were in the room, I asked how long they had been and he said an hour. Apparently when ED tech brought patient up they just left her in her room, and her paperwork so nobody new she was there. So I had to hurry somewhat to at least get her vitals well that patient O2 Sats were 80% on room air. So I had to get some O2 on her. The girl was in severe pain (sickle cell crisis) and was ordered a dilaudid PCA. So I had to call IV team to get a line in her. IV nurse start a new IV Lock only to then find out patient has a mediport.

I think sometimes that as nurses so much is put on our shoulder in terms of giving patient care, providing support for patient and family, that things like being in a rush to get patient up to floor or anything else should trump patient safety.:lol2:

Specializes in Telemetry, Oncology, Progressive Care.
At the hospitals in our area the admitting docs sometimes say they want to see the pt and write the orders, but when they say "I'll be there in a bit," they actually mean "I'll be there after I finish with my office pts." Other times the ER doc writes the covering orders, but they're busy seeing other ER pts and we can't get them to sit down long enough to write the orders. We cannot send pts to the floor without orders.

Oh my. As a nurse who receives admissions from the ER I'd love to receive a patient who already has orders. Especially when it's a doc who thinks it's not his job to return phone calls in a timely manner. It's extremely rare for me to receive orders. The only time I'll have orders is when there is a consult put on and then I still have to contact the attending for orders.

Specializes in Telemetry, Oncology, Progressive Care.
Is it fair to the patient w/chest pain & nausea who arrives in triage at 1830 if all ER beds are full and in a "holding pattern" with no movement of pts. out until 1 hr. after shift change?

This is an issue with no easy answers.

I agree there are no easy answers. How about the nurse up on the floor who just comes on to get report who is dealing with an acute chest pain patient needing admission and a 3rd degree symptomatic heart block. Luckily my 3 other patients were stable. Yep, unfortunately I've had this. This patient was supposed to be up on the floor around 4 am and didn't show up until 7 am.

So if the ER knows they can't move patients out at certain times will they make sure the patients are moved in a more timely fashion. I'm not saying the ER is not moving the patients out since I can't begin to imagine what is going on down there but at my hospital they have ER techs who are EKG certified and transport the patients so it's not like the nurse is bringing the patient up.

Kelly

P.S. I'm not bashing ER nurses.

Specializes in Emergency & Trauma/Adult ICU.
I agree there are no easy answers. How about the nurse up on the floor who just comes on to get report who is dealing with an acute chest pain patient needing admission and a 3rd degree symptomatic heart block. Luckily my 3 other patients were stable. Yep, unfortunately I've had this. This patient was supposed to be up on the floor around 4 am and didn't show up until 7 am.

So if the ER knows they can't move patients out at certain times will they make sure the patients are moved in a more timely fashion. I'm not saying the ER is not moving the patients out since I can't begin to imagine what is going on down there but at my hospital they have ER techs who are EKG certified and transport the patients so it's not like the nurse is bringing the patient up.

Kelly

P.S. I'm not bashing ER nurses.

And I'm not bashing floor nurses - we need each other, and the patients need all of us!

However, your scenario about an acute CP patient, another symptomatic cardiac pt. and 3 other patients ... is the typical day of many ER nurses from beginning to end, every single day. All I ask is that floor nurses understand that the vast majority of ERs are so overextended that there just is not the option to "hold on" to a patient. I'm trying to understand how this perception may have developed but it just has no basis in reality.

If a bed is ready and orders are written (or some other arrangement has been made) and we're not sending the patient up to you it is because (and ONLY because) either

1. the patient is too unstable at the moment (doc & I look at each other and at the pt.'s monitor & determine that no, we're not making the trip to the elevator right now)

or

2. whoever is transporting the patient is dealing with another patient's crisis at the moment.

"Hold" a patient so that I don't have to take another?? Hmm... when we transport pts. we leave the stretcher in the hall on the way back down, because the room will have been filled while we were gone.

Specializes in ICU, telemetry, LTAC.

The ER for my hospital gives me the impression that they're sending patients up to a big black hole in the sky above them, instead of to a floor with actual human nurses who need consideration like other human beings.

They used to have to call to say they were sending report, tube up a piece of paper that's a "floor report" which summarizes things, then wait 10-15 minutes before sending patient, just in case the charge nurse has a problem with the admission or to make sure we have time to get the room set up.

At that time we would hold 'em on the phone and ask a couple of questions to see if we could get a better idea of what the patient was like, are they in pain, etc. Many times we got the patient with no paperwork and no report. Just "Hi." Transport is VERY good about making sure they stop by the desk and wave and say something to let us know they are bringing us a patient.

Now they're supposed to talk to us on the phone and do phone report, ideally while the nurse looks the pt. up on the computer since now their stuff is computerized. Nifty IF you have the time to do that. If you're understaffed and both nurses happen to be in patients rooms, secretary has disappeared and they can't get you on the phone to give report, you're likely to come out of a room to see a patient you didn't realize was on the way, coming down the hall. And yeah, they're really fond of dumping at shift change.

I think report means the receiving nurse is agreeing that they're able and ready-ish to care for the patient, and sending nurse has actually taken care of said patient. SO when my empty rooms are dirty, the housekeeper (the lone, understaffed, overworked housekeeper) hasn't cleaned them yet because she gets interrupted by stat pages every few minutes, then I am in no way, shape or form READY to care for the patient. So no, I'm not going to take report yet! What do I usually hear from ER? "Please take report just so I can go home and they'll send you the patient when the room is clean." Well who in bloody heck is going to watch your patient down in the ER until then? It could be an hour! I'm not there, find another nurse to hand off to, or stick around until the room is clean. I'm not dropping my 5+ patients to go clean the room myself so you can go home!

Oh yes, and on another note, good report from all parties concerned does not stop the ED from sending me a dead patient, or a mostly dead one who needs to be intubated right then, as he's about 5 min. from total respiratory failure.

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