PAs Do Not Like Us

[Spadeforce]

10 minutes ago, djmatte said:

It isn't about superiority or some turf war. It's having respect for the choices in how we choose to focus our careers. I do agree that it is stupid to compare pa school with np school and suggest their clinical requirements somehow make it inferior. Simply put, many np schools will accept a brand new RN fresh out of school and as evidenced here, some programs will pluck you right out of another career and fast track you right to your np. So there's not a lot of grounds to act as if we're superior.

But there is validity in the initial intentions of the np profession goals. Capitalize on vast nursing knowledge to fill healthcare gaps by providing a level of medical education. The problem with that platform and makes us no better than the PA model is there are no more controls beside education and certification. Nurses aren't required to have a body of knowledge anymore which is a sad development.

Back 6-7 or so yrs ago when I was finishing up np school I remmeber we had some people from some country in Europe come (I don’t remember which maybe Ireland) and their design was to require RN experience in that specific specialty for 5 years before getting an advanced degree. They were very specific with the specialty (cardio icu for cardiac np, surgery for surgery np, OB for whatever their ob thing was, etc. that sounds like the right idea tbh

[NickB]

16 hours ago, Spadeforce said:

There are a lot of PAs who where things such as a flight nurses prior to PA school. It is sort of a moot point though since being a flight nurse is not a hard requirement for PA or NP school so I am not sure why you are using that as an "edge" for NP education. length of time is also not all telling since the NP program at my school is fluffy compared to the PA program and this seems to hold true at many places.

Also, a majority of NPs are FNPs which are not geared toward a specific population, hence the word, "family"

I'll bet that there are hardly any PA's that were previously a flight nurse. And I use that example because that role is the most autonomous in the nurse profession. PAs have a miniscule amount of required medical experience prior to entering their two year PA program. That's why their clinical requirement is so much longer than NPs.

[djmatte, ADN, MSN, RN, NP]

6 hours ago, NickB said:

I'll bet that there are hardly any PA's that were previously a flight nurse. And I use that example because that role is the most autonomous in the nurse profession. PAs have a miniscule amount of required medical experience prior to entering their two year PA program. That's why their clinical requirement is so much longer than NPs.

Except your argument is moot when an np school now will accept toy with little to no experience or fast track you through rn and np school from almost any career that has a bachelor's degree.

[Spadeforce]

9 hours ago, NickB said:

I'll bet that there are hardly any PA's that were previously a flight nurse. And I use that example because that role is the most autonomous in the nurse profession. PAs have a miniscule amount of required medical experience prior to entering their two year PA program. That's why their clinical requirement is so much longer than NPs.

So do many pracs

[NickB]

On 2/22/2019 at 5:10 AM, djmatte said:

Except your argument is moot when an np school now will accept toy with little to no experience or fast track you through rn and np school from almost any career that has a bachelor's degree.

Now that I do not disagree with. I feel like there should be more of a minimum requirement for NP school due to the limited hours in our clinical rotation. I do like that I did all of my 600 clinical hours in inpatient pediatrics which is probably more than a PA did in peds for their training.