Paramedics in the ED

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This is a rehash of an old article I found on the site from 2005. The article was just asking if RN's had experience working in the ED with medics. The responses varied from positive to mostly negative from the RN's at that time. Some responses from the nurses makes you wonder how they got a degree in anything, but times have changed. My career in EMS started with the fire dept where I retired after 20yrs working in a large metropolitan city. After my retirement, I started my 2nd career working in the ED as a Paramedic back around 2014. It was a new concept at the time in Georgia & myself as well as others were openly treated like EVS techs by the nurses. It was a kind of like, go play in your own sandbox, from the nurses.

Now here it is 2020 and I get nothing but support from the ED providers and RN's (except for the fact that we eliminated LPN's from the ED's in Georgia). I work for a major healthcare system with hospitals, urgent care centers, managed health, ETC. ETC. all over Georgia. Mostly concentrated in the metro Atlanta area & like it or not. If you come into an ED in Metro Atlanta. You will most likely encounter a Paramedic who is not emptying the trash, but a major player in your care team.

In Georgia, Paramedics have unrestricted licenses & whether working in the streets or in the ED. Our scope of practice is set by the medical director where we are employed & only after we have been trained and shown proficiency in the procedure or task. Where I work, when the crap hits the fan. No one cares what letters you have after your name and we all work as a team!

Back to the original question. This is how things flow in my facility. You go to acute care or fast track based on your acuity. Only an RN can triage and assign an acuity and only an RN can discharge a pt. Everything in between, the paramedics do. We can see the same screen you see. We are legally able, trained and proficient at administering any medication ordered by the provider with some exceptions. In Georgia, Paramedics cannot give colloids (we can hang a second and further bags of blood, but not the first even though we are trained to recognize a hemolytic reaction , anti-coagulants( unless on a TPA program) or insulin. We can jack you B/P or glucose up, but we cannot lower it. We are proficient in endotracheal intubation, needle chest decompression, needle cricothyrotomy, intraosseous placement ETC ETC.

Bottom line is. We all have our skills and the patients need all of us working together to save them. If you dont want a medic messing with your patient. Tell me and the charge nurse and I won't help you and after you've stuck the patient 10 times. I'll come and put an 18 EJ in for you because you have destroyed all their distal veins before you ask for help even though I know you won't says thanks. Also Paramedics pick up after themselves. We dont throw the crap in the floor or in the IV carts for others to pick up.

Specializes in Georgia Paramedic.
31 minutes ago, Wuzzie said:

Well, it sure sounded like it.

I work in a *** hole ER in the middle of the ghetto where I sometimes go vomit because of the smell of the shot *** homeless people that crowd our lobby when Marta stops!!!It turns into a homeless shelter where everyone has chect pns or is suicidal thinking they can get a free ride if they say suicide or chest pain and get a free bed and food for the night.... that *** stopped in march... The MD's are kicking them homeless crack heads out the door before they can sign in. we should have been doing that months ago..... the homeless people are the ones ***ing up your paychecks. and when you are sitting in the ER for hours??? its cause our beds are full of ho0meless people begging for food saying they want to kill themselves because it guarantees they got that bed. so sit out there and vomit and have chest pn…. some homeless man has your bed cussing out the staff wanting a blanket and food!!

Specializes in Georgia Paramedic.
57 minutes ago, Uroboros said:

This is another old debate, as evident by the dated article. Seems difficult for medics to make the transition from field to hospital practice, and understandably since the two are very different. In my experience the successful ones were simply tired of those long 24-48 hour shifts and really ready for something different, or working those last few years for drop pay maximizing. It's really more of a personality issue, and less of a true practice paradigm trap.

As the OP states, medics work under their medical director's protocols. And those do not matter in a hospital, since every facility has it's own profundity in volumes of policies, procedure guidelines, and job descriptions. That's why even physicians and APC's have to request and be approved for privileges, since they all differ between hospitals, clinic systems, even departments.

As an ER supervisor for several years at a very busy southwest intercity level one teaching facility I encountered this personnel issue quite a lot. That culture had more to do with medics and fire employees, who were typically older men, taking orders from young female RN's. Certainly not implying that's the issue here, but it sounds along the same personal lines, and again less of a real practice issue.

I think you are correct sir!!

Specializes in Adult and pediatric emergency and critical care.
30 minutes ago, EDMEDIC said:

I work in a *** hole ER in the middle of the ghetto where I sometimes go vomit because of the smell of the shot *** homeless people that crowd our lobby when Marta stops!It turns into a homeless shelter where everyone has chect pns or is suicidal thinking they can get a free ride if they say suicide or chest pain and get a free bed and food for the night.... that *** stopped in march... The MD's are kicking them homeless crack heads out the door before they can sign in. we should have been doing that months ago..... the homeless people are the ones ***ing up your paychecks. and when you are sitting in the ER for hours??? its cause our beds are full of ho0meless people begging for food saying they want to kill themselves because it guarantees they got that bed. so sit out there and vomit and have chest pn…. some homeless man has your bed cussing out the staff wanting a blanket and food!!

3 minutes ago, EDMEDIC said:

I'm just a stupid paramedic, but I've had to gently tell a RN to stop! she was ***ing up and was praised for it

1 minute ago, EDMEDIC said:

trauma drama. If I was messed up. I'll take a medic over a RN anyday

Query: Professionalism.

I'm a little confused as to your agenda here. You speak of wanting teamwork yet the vast majority of your posts seem to be more focused on telling the nurses (on a nursing site no less) how stupid we are, how sloppy we are, how lazy we are and how much better you are at everything. How exactly is that promoting teamwork?

4 minutes ago, EDMEDIC said:

lets get it on. we dont do this crap because we want to save life's. we get off on it!!

Huh????

Specializes in Advanced Practice Critical Care and Family Nursing.

see: Basic Terms of Service #2.

special attention to subheading: Foul Language/ Profanity

Oh and thread derailment of your own thread.

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Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development.

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