Outraged by no more privacy

[inquiringaide]

I want to know why do RNs, LPNs, and NAs now need to have their fingerprints in the system in PA. I consider this a huge violation of privacy for employees. Under what circumstance would they need the fingerprints in the first place. And I've tried to find the law that states it be required. Other than having most of my entire history, criminal background, child abuse clearance, and drug test, along with my SS# everywhere, why do I need to subject myself to more validity and no privacy. By the way, I have nothing on my record and have never taken (nor will I ever) taken drugs. So this isn't about covering up indiscrepancies. If you agree or have an opposing view please comment. And if anyone knows the law I'm looking for and could provide a link. Thanks.

[BloodCleanerRN]

Geez. Conspiracy theories abound.

No one is stopping me from living my life the way I want because they fingerprint me.

Y'all really need to get a grip.

Once again, if someone does not want to be subjected to what an employer requires....then don't apply for that job. That, my friends, IS freedom of choice.

[JoytoWorld]

Regarding MILITARY and the military saying 'freedom is not free' and the 'sacrifice of privacy for safety'...

Remember that when you enter the MILITARY your US Constitutional rights are suspended. You have NONE. No freedom of speech ('sorry Sarg, I don't like that order'??). No right to privacy ('waddayamean you won't take the vaccine shot'??). The rights/freedoms are suspended because a Commander needs to have his/her orders obeyed in times of combat and war. It is why the military are tried in their own courts - different rules.

So you cannot compare the rights of a US Citizen or of a Citizen of a State Republic, to someone in the Military.

Also Conspiracy means 'more one than one person planning to do a crime' and Theory is an untested concept. The term 'conspiracy theory' is often used to discount and to dismiss real arguments based on facts, on personal experience and on history that another does not want examined. It tends to frighten away from discussion, those who do not want to be judged as being less than sane.

Freedom implies choice. If all employers require fingerprinting, where is the choice?

[BloodCleanerRN]

It's not an implication that I think it's less than sane....I really do think it's less than sane.

Yep, I said it.

"The term 'conspiracy theory' is often used to discount and to dismiss real arguments based on facts, on personal experience and on history that another does not want examined. It tends to frighten away from discussion, those who do not want to be judged as being less than sane."

Really? What factual arguement has been presented to show that your freedoms are being stripped by fingerprinting? What real evidence have you shown me and the other posters here? (and, no, your suspicions do not count as real evidence)

The whole fear of fingerprinting thing is being blown way out of proportion IMO. I believe it is a fear of something irrelevant.

Freedom. You have a choice. You can choose not to enter into a field of employment that requires fingerprinting or background checks. There IS a choice.

For example, some people choose to live under a bridge, or a tent in the woods, rather than be on Uncle Sam's radar and be gainfully employed, own a car and/or house..etc. There again...CHOICE.... and maybe a bit of mental illness mixed in.

People can CHOOSE what job they have, whether or not they have a job, what house they buy, what car they drive, what food they eat, what clothes they wear, if they want to be compliant with doctor's recommendations....the list goes on. Yes, people still have choices and the freedom to make those choices in this country.

[Woodenpug, BSN]

"Really? What factual arguement has been presented to show that your freedoms are being stripped by fingerprinting? What real evidence have you shown me and the other posters here? (and, no, your suspicions do not count as real evidence)"

You are so right. Except for two points, one less important than the other. The least important; it is spelled argument. LOL, you would find just as many typo's in my post....O.K. probably more.

I don't see a loss of freedom. The problem I have is with the assumption of guilt. Most Americans only surrender themselves to fingerprints and photos, after they have committed a crime, or at least some probable cause has been established that a crime has been committed. Just wanting to be a nurse, should not be in the same category.

If it's meaningful, uncle Sam and several state, city and county agencies have my fingerprints. If I would choose a life of crime, my only recourse would be to have my fingerprints destroyed. I hate acid on my fingers so much, I guess I have to continue to follow the law.

[Guest343211]

Amen! Or they can exercise their liberty and move to another country...... Since they think they have it so bad!

Those quotes are extreme and unfair IMHO. So if you want to fly, one day they can say, strip you down and bend you over and probe away--randomly or systematically, and that's just OK. . .b/c, after all, if you don't want the strip and probe, well, you can just opt not to fly. Now if your job requires you to fly, you are screwed and so is your family.

So that logic doesn't work for me.

Thing is, I just don't know what to do about all the closing in on privacy and progressive violations of individual liberties.

People can argue whether it's OK or not. And no, from a purely Constitutional perspective, I do not think the founders would be OK with it all--even in light of terrorism and such--but what is the solution to the concerns? That's the real thing to look at--finding better ways to deal with this so that individual liberties are not stepped into or towards or over while using some due diligence in protecting people. I mean that is a tough this to reconcile.

I don't want to debate if it is right or wrong to put all your private information our there when you are a responsibile, innocent citizen and professional. To me, that should speak for itself.

What I do want to know is how to you maintain a healthy balance and limit violating personal liberty.

I mean even the widespread use of SS#s was not originally intended for identification. Yet, that is an identifier today, and it has caused a number of people distress when their numbers have fallen into the wrong hands or have been used in questionable ways.

Again they maintained early on that Social Security numbers would never be used as identifiers. See what has happened? And little by little more and more privacy and with it, individual protection of liberties, was lost and still is lost progressively every day. It is a serious problem.

Question really is: what do we do about it? How do we maintain a balance?

[greenfiremajick]

It's not an implication that I think it's less than sane....I really do think it's less than sane.

Yep, I said it.

"The term 'conspiracy theory' is often used to discount and to dismiss real arguments based on facts, on personal experience and on history that another does not want examined. It tends to frighten away from discussion, those who do not want to be judged as being less than sane."

Really? What factual arguement has been presented to show that your freedoms are being stripped by fingerprinting? What real evidence have you shown me and the other posters here? (and, no, your suspicions do not count as real evidence)

The whole fear of fingerprinting thing is being blown way out of proportion IMO. I believe it is a fear of something irrelevant.

Freedom. You have a choice. You can choose not to enter into a field of employment that requires fingerprinting or background checks. There IS a choice.

For example, some people choose to live under a bridge, or a tent in the woods, rather than be on Uncle Sam's radar and be gainfully employed, own a car and/or house..etc. There again...CHOICE.... and maybe a bit of mental illness mixed in.

People can CHOOSE what job they have, whether or not they have a job, what house they buy, what car they drive, what food they eat, what clothes they wear, if they want to be compliant with doctor's recommendations....the list goes on. Yes, people still have choices and the freedom to make those choices in this country.

Every race or group of people that have had atrocious crimes committed against them have had a choice, too...They could either do what was required of them (be that working for free, working for peasant's wages, follow strict orders from their owners, submit to experimentation, forced sex, etc) or die....

Yep, those were choices that were open to them...Uh huh...And to be in a society such as that, it had to start somewhere...The start was slowly but surely losing their freedoms until there was no turning back and no way to fix it.....One day, you turn around and realize you have allowed so many freedoms to be stripped from you, that there are no freedoms left.

[Woodenpug, BSN]

And, it does not really work. As to pre-screening drug test: many ways out, for one most etoh abusers can stay clean for 24 hours. Long enough to pass a urine test. The fingerprinting is also something that can be faked. Like my dad said "locks are for honest people." These screenings and fingerprinting and... only dissuade honest people. Like the etoh abuser who is in recovery or the honest citizen who made a silly mistake in college. Those who are a real threat are at most only somewhat inconvenienced.