Drexel University ACE Spring 2010 - page 18

Hello all, I just received a letter from Drexel saying that my application for the ACE program is now complete and I'm waiting for a response. I was wondering if anyone else here is applying for the... Read More

  1. by   acrawl
    No it wasn''t incoherent at all. Thx for the advice. I will definitely call them for an interview. It will definitely be great experience and I will definitely keep you posted.
  2. by   nursingyogi
    Quote from AugustRain
    hiddencat, that HESI book is actually for the PN exam, you want the RN:
    http://www.amazon.com/Testing-Remedi...2281451&sr=8-2

    I had both Saunders books, the blue one is more of a study guide/outline, which we used for extra questions during 2nd & 3rd quarters. By 4th quarter, we had pretty much run out of questions, and picked up the orange Saunders book and the Made Incredibly Easy Q&A. The orange Saunders doesn't break down by subject, though Incredibly Easy does.

    The more questions, the better, but R&R seemed closest to the thought process for HESI, and the comprehensive CD lets you select the difficulty level of the questions you do.

    PS - After spending 11 months going through all those questions, I literally did one practice test two days before NCLEX and that was it.
    As everyone agrees, Thank you so much August Rain. I imagine you can remember all your "unanswered" questions before starting your program, and you are really helping so many posters and just readers alleviate our anxiety.

    Just to clarify some of the books you suggest for studying for the HESI & NCLEX:

    Saunders Original: http://www.us.elsevierhealth.com/pro...=9781416037088

    HESI Original: http://www.amazon.com/Testing-Remedi...2281451&sr=8-2

    R&R Fluids/Electrolytes: http://www.amazon.com/Fluids-Electro.../dp/0130304549

    Saunders Q&A: http://www.us.elsevierhealth.com/pro...=9781416048503

    Made Incredibly Easy: http://www.chipsbooks.com/nclrnq3.htm

    Also, any others? I'd just let to get my "studying" books now, so I can have them at my leisure during school. Last, I know R&R has a book for everything. Which one did you use/recommend, since I of course don't plan on buying one for every topic

    THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
  3. by   nursingyogi
    Quote from augustrain
    there are mixed opinions on hesi, but the bottom line is, it’s a requirement. it’s essentially a quiz grade for the clinical courses (55 questions, no required passing score), and a final for senior seminar (165 questions, we needed a 950 to pass as of sept '09 graduation). figure that since most finals are a big percentage of your grade, it’s unlikely that you’d pass a class if you fail the final anyway…it made the hesi seem a little less intimidating for me.

    i had a hard time with the principles hesi first quarter, but decided that since i couldn’t change it, i’d focus on improving my score instead. this is what worked for me, as well as for people i tutored:

    resources
    - reviews & rationales. great for regular class exams, as well as hesi. these questions are some of the more difficult ones, and rationales are provided for every question. i used these more than the practest. there is a comprehensive review book, as well as individual books for different subjects (they all have the same questions, just organized differently). the comprehensive book scared me first quarter, so i opted for the individual ones. the library has a copy of the comprehensive one, and my study group also shared one.
    -kaplan’s test taking strategies for the nclex-rn.
    -hesi book. if nothing else, read the “hesi hints.” also, since lab values differ by location, look at the charts to see what hesi considers normal values. buy the book first quarter, even though it’s not required yet.

    strategy
    -prioritize questions based on abcs, maslow, and safety. unless it’s a delegation question, assume there is no help available. when delegating, ask yourself “is there anyone else who could do this?” the leadership reviews & rationales book is really helpful for this, so even though you won’t take leadership until 4th quarter, it’s worth looking into earlier.
    -read each question, then ask yourself what it’s asking you to do. before you look at the answer choices, come up with a rough idea in your head.
    -don’t read into the question. if it’s not there, it’s not relevant.
    -be confident in your choice. hesi is a computer exam, and you can’t go back. if you don’t know the answer right away, think through it and choose the best answer. there may be several decent answers, or they may all seem bad to you – make an educated decision, and don’t let your uncertainty follow you to the next question.
    -focus on the difficulty level of the questions. on hesi, like nclex, not every question is weighted equally. i’ve gotten twenty-some questions wrong, but still scored in the 90s, because the ones i got wrong were the lowest level. reviews & rationales tells you what level each question is, so aim to score the highest on analysis.
    -ask for help! if it’s second quarter, and you’re still getting low hesi grades, that’s the time to start adjusting your technique. i think most of us did horrible on the first hesi, but after that, you should start to see improvement.
    -remember that it’s just a test. people have done it before you, and you can do it too.

    obviously, you need to figure out what type of studying works best for you and stick with it. there’s a learning curve with hesi, but it’s absolutely something that can be done. if i can help anyone, feel free to let me know. good luck to those of you who are about to start!


    also, some other suggestions from your previous posts:

    kaplan's test taking strategies for the nclex-rn: http://www.amazon.com/kaplan-nclex-r.../dp/1419552570

    r&r comprehensive: http://www.amazon.com/prentice-halls.../dp/0131195999

    also, now i'm seeing about 9 to 10 r&r's, compared to the original 100 i was assuming there was. where all 9+ helpful/worth it?
  4. by   AugustRain
    Hi nursingyogi - yes, the links you posted are the books I used. Between the members of my study group, we had ten of the R&R books, including the comprehensive review. I found them very helpful in breaking down the material and the questions were great preparation for exams.

    In the individual subject books, each chapter has a 10 question pre-test, a 10 question post-test, and 30 additional questions on the CD. Like I said before, I went with the individual books because the comprehensive review was completely overwhelming in the beginning. It was also easier to carry the small ones.

    I'd hold off on getting a whole library of study books first quarter, as most of them won't be particularly useful that early on. Start with the Fundamentals R&R and the Kaplan Test-Taking Strategies, and build from there. My friends and I shared supplemental and required books whenever we could, and you never know who's going to have hand-me-downs, etc.

    I know some people don't like spending the money on extra books, but I figured that an extra $28 here and there was less expensive than re-taking a class. And as a new nurse, I do still use them as a reference.

    Good luck getting ready for classes!
  5. by   Aijah
    AugustRain,

    I have been reading your posts and really value your opinion. This is my first and probably most important post. I was hoping you could help answer a question that could determine my fate as a nursing student at Drexel. I was accepted into the Spring 2010 program and am thrilled to attend. I have never been arrested, convicted of a crime, felony, misdemeanor, or child abuse, etc. However when I was in the military I received administrative discipline for something minor. Come to find out my Unit had submitted my fingerprints (every military member has fingerprints on file) to the FBI fingerprint repository or NCIC. Every time my fingerprints are taken this becomes an issue that requires explanation, but has never prevented me from getting a job. Do you know if fingerprints are required to be taken at anytime? Everything else will come back clean i.e. state, local, and national checks except for the NCIC. I don't want to quit my job and move my family to Philly if I will just get rejected as soon as I get there. I would like to have an idea of what I am about to face, can you tell me what company does the background checks? I wanted to have all my paperwork ready (including a clean background check done by me ahead of time) before presenting this question to my counselor. I realize how this looks and would really appreciate any information you could provide to further help my case.
    Thanks,
    Aijah
  6. by   AugustRain
    Quote from Aijah
    AugustRain,

    I have been reading your posts and really value your opinion. This is my first and probably most important post. I was hoping you could help answer a question that could determine my fate as a nursing student at Drexel. I was accepted into the Spring 2010 program and am thrilled to attend. I have never been arrested, convicted of a crime, felony, misdemeanor, or child abuse, etc. However when I was in the military I received administrative discipline for something minor. Come to find out my Unit had submitted my fingerprints (every military member has fingerprints on file) to the FBI fingerprint repository or NCIC. Every time my fingerprints are taken this becomes an issue that requires explanation, but has never prevented me from getting a job. Do you know if fingerprints are required to be taken at anytime? Everything else will come back clean i.e. state, local, and national checks except for the NCIC. I don't want to quit my job and move my family to Philly if I will just get rejected as soon as I get there. I would like to have an idea of what I am about to face, can you tell me what company does the background checks? I wanted to have all my paperwork ready (including a clean background check done by me ahead of time) before presenting this question to my counselor. I realize how this looks and would really appreciate any information you could provide to further help my case.
    Thanks,
    Aijah
    First of all, congratulations on being accepted!

    I was never fingerprinted for anything at Drexel, though I believe a clinical group was for one specific site. My suggestion would be to call Drexel's nursing office and speak with the person in charge of clinical compliance. She will be able to tell you exactly what they will be looking for and any additional information you need to provide for clarification.

    You may also want to contact the Board of Nursing for the state in which you think you'll apply for licensure - I was fingerprinted several times during the NCLEX, and some states also require fingerprinting as part of the application process.

    I'm not familiar with military discipline, but I can tell you that the background check for my job was focused on abuse/neglect/assault, etc.

    I think it's best to go straight to the source in your case - be upfront, offer to provide documentation, and you should be okay.
  7. by   Aijah
    That sounds like a plan, thank you so much for the help!!!
  8. by   acrawl
    Hey AugustRain, I have a friend who I just found out know's someone who graduated from the ACE program and is getting rid of books. She has the following for sell:

    Medical-Surgical Nursing: Reviews & Rationales with CD, 2nd edition, MaryAnn Hogan.
    ISBN 0-13-178970-8.

    Essentials of Nursing Informatics, 4th edition, ISBN 0-07-144197-2 ,
    Virginia Saba

    Medical Terminology, 3rd edition, ISBN 0-7216-9553-1. Davi-Ellen Chabner

    Health Promotion throughout the Lifespan, 5th edition, ISBN 0-323-01484-4,
    Edelman & Mandle

    Clinical Nursing Skills & Techniques, 4th edition, ISBN 0-8151-4305-2,
    Perry& Potter.
    The Anatomy of Hope, Jerome Groopman, Hardback,

    Mental Health Nursing, 3rd edition, ISBN 0-323-02011-9,
    Katherine Fortinash,

    Professional Nursing, 4th edition, Kay Chitty.ISBN 0-7216-0695-4.

    Staight A's in Pediatric Nursing, with DISC, 2nd ed. ISBN 1-58255-697-0,

    Essentials of Maternity Nursing, 2007, ISBN 0-7817-5220-5. Susan Ricci.

    Can you let me know if any of these are worth buying? Thx.
  9. by   AugustRain
    Quote from acrawl
    hey augustrain, i have a friend who i just found out know's someone who graduated from the ace program and is getting rid of books. she has the following for sell:

    medical-surgical nursing: reviews & rationales with cd, 2nd edition, maryann hogan.
    isbn 0-13-178970-8.
    you know i'm going to tell you to get this one

    essentials of nursing informatics, 4th edition, isbn 0-07-144197-2 ,
    virginia saba
    not 100% necessary, but you'll probably do better on the final if you get it.

    medical terminology, 3rd edition, isbn 0-7216-9553-1. davi-ellen chabner
    this book was worth it for the professor i had - the end of chapter quizzes were the only studying i did for med term. (it's part of health promotion.)

    health promotion throughout the lifespan, 5th edition, isbn 0-323-01484-4,
    edelman & mandle
    i shared this and hardly used it. should be in the library if you need it.

    clinical nursing skills & techniques, 4th edition, isbn 0-8151-4305-2,
    perry& potter.
    don't waste your money.

    the anatomy of hope, jerome groopman, hardback,
    won't need it until 4th quarter, i shared the paperback edition.

    mental health nursing, 3rd edition, isbn 0-323-02011-9,
    katherine fortinash,
    buy it.

    professional nursing, 4th edition, kay chitty.isbn 0-7216-0695-4.
    i bought it 1st quarter and used it as a reference for a couple of papers later on. mostly, i was glad i had it on my bookshelf at 3am when i was writing said papers.

    staight a's in pediatric nursing, with disc, 2nd ed. isbn 1-58255-697-0,
    this isn't my favorite supplemental series, i borrowed one but didn't really like it. you could always go to barnes & nobel and see what you think of it.

    essentials of maternity nursing, 2007, isbn 0-7817-5220-5. susan ricci.
    you'll need it to do your weekly clinical homework, but make sure it's the current edition - a new one came out while i was taking the class.

    can you let me know if any of these are worth buying? thx.
    you'll probably get different opinions on what to buy, but those are my thoughts. sharing books was nice, but remember that when in doubt, s/he who pays gets custody, so make sure you have similar study habits and plan accordingly!
  10. by   AdamsMorgan30
    I was also accepted to the ACE program for Spring 2010. I just got back from vacation and almost forgot to send my transcript showing my prerequisites. Will this be a big deal if it is a couple of days past Jan. 15th, as I highly doubt it's going to arrive by tomorrow.

    Another question, because I cannot get a hold of Peggy Breslin, when does the program start, exactly? I thought it was April, but I see a lot of you saying March. I found a place in Philadelphia to live, but I need to make arrangements about when I need to move in. If someone could help me out with a response to the exact start date, I'd really appreciate it.

    Jason
  11. by   acrawl
    AugustRain thx for the advice for the books! I'm hoping to get a good deal on them and get a head start on collecting my books for the program.
    AdamsMorgan30, congrats on yor acceptance and attendance! The first day of class is Monday, March 29,2010 and I'm not to sure about late transcripts but I called and they did inform me that they were due tomorrow January 15th. I almost forgot myself but I live just blocks from Drexel's main campus and will just hand deliver mine tomorrow. You should definitely just call the admissions office and see what they say.
  12. by   acrawl
    And I almost forgot, I know alot of people posted wondering about the compliance info we needed to take care of before entering the program. I received all that info in the mail today, and the letter was dated January 12th so if you haven't already got it, be on the look out for your letter shortly. In any event it doesn't seem bad...
  13. by   acrawl
    Aijah, the compliance letter does require us to get an FBI Electronic Fingerprint Record Search, I'm sure sure if this is what you were worrying about in your post. You will see what I am referring to when you get your letter, but the letter states that more info can be found on drexelcompliance.com. Hope this helps.

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