The Circumcision Discussion - page 54
I know this can be a HUGE debate, and I'm not looking to start any arguments. I was just wondering as you are OB nurses. I'm expecting a boy in July and not sure if we should circ. or not. My... Read More
Nov 7, '07Joined: Apr '03; Posts: 7,569; Likes: 2,297I guess I'm a barbarian, then, and so is my husband. When I was pregnant we decided that if the baby was a boy he would be circ'd. My doc said my insurance didn't cover it. I said "We'll pay." He said "No problem."
Nov 7, '07Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 41,761; Likes: 48,082Quote from jlsRNI agree with this . . . . we seem to be taking away all the milestones for kids by doing them too young.Not barbaric, but I would never dream of doing it. I think of it as a coming of age rite for a young lady of around 13 who has the ability to care for her ears herself and is motivated to do so.
Then they go for something more over the line . . . .
At least that is my theory . . .
Nov 8, '07Occupation: LPN Specialty: 1 year(s) of experience in Geriatrics/Family Practice ; Joined: Jan '06; Posts: 500; Likes: 333I had both of my boy's circ'd but that was before going to nursing school and seeing how it is performed. If I knew then what I know now, I may not of had it done. I think that men were made that way for a reason. From what I've heard uncircumcised men are more appealing to there significant other, if you know what I mean. I guess the stats are about 50/50 at present with circs. I don't think that there are any complications if the procedure is done in the long run, except for the initial barbaric torture the baby endures, especially for the docs who use nothing to numb. As for the non circ'd boys, if properly cared for they will not have any problems either, except for the occasional stricture.
Nov 8, '07Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 402; Likes: 80It seems like there are definitely horror stories from both sides of the issue. There are botched circ's and people who are uncircumsized who had all sorts of troubles. I think both of those groups are in the extreme minority. The health issues that circumcision protects against are, relatively, pretty rare.
I agree that it's cultural and cosmetic in most cases but I don't think it's barbaric if anesthetic is used. If the vast majority of circumcised men are happy about it and don't have health issues then it kindof cheapens the word "barbaric".
Nov 8, '07Joined: Jul '05; Posts: 5,197; Likes: 6,226Quote from stevielynnApples and oranges arguments..... try explaining to a full grown man that it is much better now getting the circumcision done then when he was a baby.This circ thread is taking off like all the others . . . . . :spin:
My argument to my husband when preggers with our 1st child, when he used the argument that the baby wouldn't remember the pain was that then it would be ok to burn the baby with a lit cigarette.
That sorta made him mad . . he had no answer for it though.
The majority of men in this country are circumcised.
The truth is there are valid reasons for it, but for the most part it still remains cultural choice.
We should just add a poll to this asking everyone's opinion on this subject, and one for just the men to see if they are glad they were circumcised as an infant.
I for one am glad my parents had me circumcised as an infant!
Nov 8, '07Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 60,606; Likes: 17,436Merged the circumcision threads for consistency of discussion.
Nov 8, '07Occupation: 20+ yr RN Specialty: 15 year(s) of experience in Critical Care ; From: US ; Joined: May '05; Posts: 7,520; Likes: 4,030Quote from TweetyWowsers! This now makes my OP from last year the lead thread. In THAT thread, I was pointing to the research that showed a link between circ and HIV reduction.Merged the circumcision threads for consistency of discussion.
I wasn't trying to discuss the cultural ramifications in the U.S., at all, although, I did end up defending that position.
In the meantime, I've tried to stay out of the general cultural debate. Now, anybody coming here and reviewing this thread will start with lots of what I have to say.
It's cool, but I'll probably avoid posting much in this current debate. I just wanted to point out that it's not that my opinions have changed. I hashed this all out last year and it's here for the reading. In fact, the only reason I ever brought up circumcision at all was in very promising research to eradicate HIV from a Continent where it is so rampant, it is destroying whole societies. What a wonderful thing a 60% reduction of HIV could be in those regions. It would translate to millions of lives saved.
I will say, though, now that I'm going to have a girl, at least ONE of my kids will avoid the fate of being circ'd. Until, at least, the NEXT child comes along. . .
Timothy.Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Nov 8, '07
Nov 8, '07Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 41,761; Likes: 48,082Quote from wtbcrnaI don't think it is apples and oranges. The point is that the baby won't remember the pain so that makes it ok. That is not a good argument, in my opinion, because then you could say you could do all kinds of things to the baby that are painful simply because they won't remember. It wasn't that long ago that babies had surgeries and other painful procedures w/o anesthetic or anesthesia because of the "they won't remember" idea and because of the theory that babies don't feel pain.Apples and oranges arguments..... try explaining to a full grown man that it is much better now getting the circumcision done then when he was a baby.
I think it is a bit cowardly to push the circ on the baby because a grown man wouldn't want to deal with the pain and the baby won't remember.
Don't forget . . . .my boys and my husband are pro-circumcision.
Nov 8, '07Joined: May '06; Posts: 273; Likes: 166Regardless of whether we are pro or con about this subject-- wouldn't it make sense to let each man decide for himself if he wants to be circed, rather than having the parents decide for him? It shows a disrespect for the child's right to choose what he wants done to his own body. If we are talking about STD's and HIV, he would most likely be of age by the time he had to be worried about the possible consequences of not being circed. Or he would be educated enough to use a condom.Last edit by AmericanChai on Nov 8, '07
Nov 8, '07Joined: Nov '06; Posts: 20,715; Likes: 23,951Quote from bhope2006I don't like the thought of it, that's for sure.I'm not necessarily for or against circumcision, but I can't help but wonder, how many of you think piercing a baby girl's ears is barbaric??
Nov 13, '07Joined: Nov '06; Posts: 20,715; Likes: 23,951Probably the most interesting reason a parent gave me for having their baby circed was that "Jesus was circumcised."
Now, before anybody gets upset, I have no problem with people wanting to follow Jesus.
But if you believe the Bible, then a lot of other things happened to Jesus that you might not want to have happen to your child. Please find a better reason to circ him!!
Nov 13, '07Occupation: Professor of Nursing Specialty: Nurse Educator; Family Nursing ; From: US ; Joined: Mar '07; Posts: 1,306; Likes: 109Thank you, Arwen. . .