HEY GOP: Attacking Hillary Isn't a Health Plan

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when even [http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_10_22/cover.html a magazine called "the american conservative" counsels] the republican presidential candidates that they can't live on hillary-hate alone, something is happening.

as nurses fighting for guaranteed healthcare, the california nurses association/national nurses organizing committee tracks this trend in terms of health policy. [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-ann-demoro/memo-to-the-gop-stopping_b_69472.html i will let our executive director rose ann demoro sum it up: attacking hillary clinton is not a health plan.] you can click through to the full article, but here's a taste:

apparently taking their leadership from karl rove who warned that the republican candidates must focus on healthcare because the issue is "on the mind of a lot of swing voters," the republican candidates for president have now latched on to healthcare.

but in the true spirit of their mentor rove, it appears they think our biggest healthcare crisis is the potential election of hillary clinton.

hearing their fulminations about "socialized medicine" and "hillary care" almost makes you wonder what they've been drinking.

in a new report, george lakoff's rockridge institute aptly describes the approach of clinton and the other top tier democrats as the "neoliberal mode of thought" in its dubious reliance on regulation and technocratic changes to an industry that needs to be dismantled, not tweaked.

but at least clinton and company are talking about comprehensive reform. the republican candidates' healthcare policies recall the words attributed, probably erroneously, to marie antoinette whose infamous solution to mass shortages of bread was "let them eat cake."

...cross-posted at the [http://www.guaranteedhealthcare.org/blog national nurses organizing committee/california nurses association's] breakroom blog, as we organize to make 2007 the year of guaranteed healthcare on the single-payer model.

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I don't think anyone should be denied healthcare. Especially a nurse who has worked for 30 years.

I think it should be OK to change jobs and still have access to healthcare.

I think it should be OK to move to another state and still have access to healthcare.

I think a man should be able to retire and his wife change jobs and still have access to healthcare.

I think they were being responsible by purchasing a policy.

But their story is published. Yes she was a traveler, then per diem. Shouldn't everyone have access to healthcare?

WHO should be denied access to healthcare?

Spacenurse,

As you did post this, I am going to address it, though it does stray from the original topic.

I agree with Cardiac2007. I also agree with you. The Nurse in this case though, should file a lawsuit against Blue Cross/Blue Shield. It is that company who is cullpable in this situation. I don't know if you've ever dealt with them before; but, I have. Long story short: they are not nice.

As far as the couple being responsible, yes they were. I am proud of them and appreciate their self-initiated responsibility to obtain healthcare coverage. I also believe that people who fall into these situations should receive healthcare coverage irregardless of diagnosis.

Why? Because, they have already shown personal responsibility.

I don't believe everyone should have all healthcare coverage if they are not choosing to contribute to the welfare of our country through taxes or at least paying their fair share of low cost healthcare coverage.

I think we have all taken care of the motorcross patient who has no health insurance. I don't mind the hobby; but, hey, taking care of cranky people and then partially paying with my tax dollars for their healthcare coverage . . . Or what about the drug addict who repeated calls me the b and proclaims they will file a lawsuit. Again crabby patient . . . my taxes dollars.

gotta tell ya, I would much rather have my money spent on the schools, parks, police, firefighters, medical research, and ME. I'm a nurse for crying out loud. Spend my tax dollars on me. Let's see starbucks . . .

No, I am all for ensuring personal responsibility first then healthcare coverage as a natural outflow of personal responsibility.

Cardiac2007, as for the husband and his insurance.

Cardiac2007, you are exactly right. There is much more to this than meets the eye. My husband is retired military, and I am covered on his insurance plan. I do not need to purchase insurance for myself. There are other factors at play, here.

No, I do not think it is okay to move from state to state etc and receive health insurance, unless the individual has been responsible enough to pay for their own health insurance. My husband paid for our health insurance.

Anyone who serves in the military for an extended period of time (note time limit not specified), should receive compensation through healthcare. Anyone who has served in the US military knows what they have given to keep the remainder of US citizens safe. It is a large price. I believe those and only those people including their families deserve to receive lifetime healthcare coverage. All military spouses and children sacrifice sooo very very much.

Sorry OP.

Hmmm, back to the topic, Nope, attacking Hilliary or anyone else for that matter is not a health plan. It is an annoying distraction from more important issues at hand.

I'll do that as soon as you send your check in to support the Iraq war effort, the funding of roads and bridges, the FDA, the U.N., CDC, student loans and grants programs, school lunch program, food stamps, etc and so forth...;)

I send a check to the government weekly now.Don't You ?

Fact is socialized healthcare is free but there isn't any.

Read a paper sometime.Canadians come to the U.S. if they want to actually access healthcare in a timely and efficient manner.

Most of the Canadian population is happy with their healthcare.........the portion of the population that has never really needed to use it. You can change the PRICE of healthcare to FREE but the COST of healthcare will not change(Economics 101)

So why not let working people buy into Medicare?

It is much more efficient already than private insurance.

Medicare is trillions of dollars in debt.

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.
So why not let working people buy into Medicare?

It is much more efficient already than private insurance.

Medicare is trillions of dollars in debt.

That might be a good idea, I'll vote for you if you run for office!

Quote:Originally Posted by CRNA2007 Wow, your family would allow you to die homeless and on the streets?Interesting...

Bless your heart.I was explaining how Social Security INSURANCE is supposed to work.And how Medicare INSURANCE works.I hope your health insurance company doesn't cancel your policy.If it does I will be happy to pay taxes so you and yout family can have all needs mets. Health care included.

If you will be happy to make sure that all of my needs will be met,why am I still at this demanding job?

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Now I'm really confused, why are you at your demanding job? So many people would love a job that provides insurance and a good steady income. Any compassion at all?

So again you don't know anyone that did this just heard it. Seems a lot of Dems just hear things. Having been in the military I have never seen one. Enough of the platitudes give us some substance. Put forth all these 4 minimum wage job earners, let's see the people one paycheck away from being homeless. Let's see all the elderly alpo eaters. Let's see the 47 million uninsured. I don't want to hear about them I want to see them.
I just came upon your post today,otherwise I wouldve responded earlier. I am a liberal, I am a nurse with almost 30 years in the field, I worked damn hard to put 4 children through private school and college,and one through law school.My husband left our family after 19 years of marriage.I became chronically ill, could no longer work,could not afford COBRA, lost my home , car and life savings to medical debt.I DO NOT get Medicaid in my state of WI, I have applied for SSDI, but this takes sometimes up to 3 years in some states to be approved. My four children who are now succesful adults, thanks to my many years of HARD work,and student loans and GRANTS, now support me financially, until SSDI is approved.

Your statement about no democrats in the military is amazing.My daughter is in the Navy and is now and ALWAYS has been a liberal democrat as are ALL of my children.We are trying to figure out how I can become her dependant so I can get some of the medical care I desperatly need. The free clinic cannot provide this type of care due to cost constraints. Your blatent , hateful comments about how easy it is to just change jobs, lazy people needing help, etc, etc. makes me just shake my head. I wonder just what your bedside manner must be when you take care of someone who you consider unworthy. It is funny how life has a way of teaching some folks, who are a bit too smug, humility.Its a huge mistake to think that you are immune to unexpected "stuff", that you are so well prepared, for ANY eventuality. Have a good life, hopefully.......

When I worked as a home health nurse, I saw horrible poverty every day. Most households consisted of multiple families living in a small cramped house. At anytime of the day and night there were usually at least 5 adults in the home. These adults were usually all stricken by some kind of disability. Many times they would discuss the different pain medications that they were on and offer to trade...they were truly caring people. Their disability must have been severe because they couldn't even clean their house or wash their many children. Having a car was almost never seen, however there was always beer and cigarettes in the home. Thankfully these families had many visitors to cheer them up. usually about 5 or 6 visitors in my hour long visit. They never came inside, though. One of the disabled adults always went out on the porch to "visit". It saddened me to see the cubbards bare, but at least they had wide screen TV's, Cable, Computers, and cell phones to take their mind off of the hunger.

There is no "poverty" that couldn't be prevented by better life choices. But why would anyone give up their "poverty" and go to a job every day. They have everything they need and want and it's all free. It sickens me, quite frankly.

Not everyone who needs SSDI or SSI is a deadbeat, those who are a bit too judgemental are tempting fate to teach them humility and compassion.
Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.
Not everyone who needs SSDI or SSI is a deadbeat, those who are a bit too judgemental are tempting fate to teach them humility and compassion.

:yeahthat:

You can buy policies that cover cancer as well as long term disability insurance, I have long term disability through a private company of course I pay for it myself.

I have insurance through my employer, like most of us who are insured. But in the back of my mind (especially since my CA diagnosis) is the thought that if I suffer a catastrophic illness or injury, I won't be able to work and will be screwed. As an oncology nurse, I've seen this happen far too often. People lose everything. But hey, let's throw the baby out with the bathwater. Wouldn't want to risk those danged illegals gaining access to our healthcare!

No one is talking about no Democrats being in the military as usual so much reading into every statement and not looking at the actual statements I was responding. What blatant hateful comments???? Are you not being judgemental??? You don't kow my circumstances in life or how hard I have to work to get where I am. I have a great life right now because I worked hard in life to get where I am. No one ever gave me any handouts I earned everything I have and I don't think it's too much to ask some of those in the wagon to get out and help the rest of us pull it.

I just came upon your post today,otherwise I wouldve responded earlier. I am a liberal, I am a nurse with almost 30 years in the field, I worked damn hard to put 4 children through private school and college,and one through law school.My husband left our family after 19 years of marriage.I became chronically ill, could no longer work,could not afford COBRA, lost my home , car and life savings to medical debt.I DO NOT get Medicaid in my state of WI, I have applied for SSDI, but this takes sometimes up to 3 years in some states to be approved. My four children who are now succesful adults, thanks to my many years of HARD work,and student loans and GRANTS, now support me financially, until SSDI is approved.

Your statement about no democrats in the military is amazing.My daughter is in the Navy and is now and ALWAYS has been a liberal democrat as are ALL of my children.We are trying to figure out how I can become her dependant so I can get some of the medical care I desperatly need. The free clinic cannot provide this type of care due to cost constraints. Your blatent , hateful comments about how easy it is to just change jobs, lazy people needing help, etc, etc. makes me just shake my head. I wonder just what your bedside manner must be when you take care of someone who you consider unworthy. It is funny how life has a way of teaching some folks, who are a bit too smug, humility.Its a huge mistake to think that you are immune to unexpected "stuff", that you are so well prepared, for ANY eventuality. Have a good life, hopefully.......

You can buy policies that cover cancer as well as long term disability insurance, I have long term disability through a private company of course I pay for it myself.
Yes, lets all TRUST those for profit health insurance companies, they too are so well known and loved for their compassion and fair treatment.
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