Controversial Michael Moore Flick 'Sicko' Will Compare U.S. Health Care with Cuba's

[HM2VikingRN]

Health care advances in Cuba

According to the Associated Press as cited in the Post article, "Cuba has made recent advancements in biotechnology and exports its treatments to 40 countries around the world, raking in an estimated $100 million a year. ... In 2004, the U.S. government granted an exception to its economic embargo against Cuba and allowed a California drug company to test three cancer vaccines developed in Havana."

http://alternet.org/envirohealth/50911/?page=1

[UKRNinUSA, RN]

"My big question is: if he had never made Fahrenheit 911, would some of you be more willing to see Sicko?"

What could anyone have against Fahrenheit 911 -check out how the film facts match up to the truth

http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/index.php?id=16

what could anyone have against the truth -unless of course you are a member of the current administration. Why all the secrecy? Why all the claims of executive privilege? Aren't these people supposed to be working for "we the people"

[marvelous_truth]

Socialized medicine, universal health care, single payer health care- which title would you want to use? It is what is proposed and highlighted in the movie, and is part of this discussion. I have been part of the Scrubs for Sicko campaign from the onset, in addition to other groups who are for a single payer health care system. Have you read the entire thread? You obviously haven't seen the movie, so how can you say socialized medicine should be another discussion? Do you work in the health care field?

And again, if Moore had never made F911, would you be more willing to see Sicko?

As far as Moore being a champion for the working class, there's Roger & Me, The Awful Truth, etc. If you haven't seen any of Moore's work, then what are you basing your opinions of him on?

I dont care if socialized medicine is discussed here. However there is another thread about that.

I dont need to watch moores film to understand that there are problems, I allready know that. I also know that socialism is and always has been a failure to freedom of the masses and a success to those that use it in guise of helping but in actuality enslaving mankind.

Moore may make great points but he will not change the eternal principles. My rights are from God as part of an eternal plan not from a group of men or politicians as part of a political plan at the whims of men.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

[lamazeteacher]

I think waiting for a "national" healthcare program is useless. Calling it socialism gives it an inappropriate anxiety producing connection I do wish MM hadn't used Communist countries troops in his film....).

Every state has its unique machinations, and health delivery systems. We nurses should rise to the occasion, allying with university schools of

hospital administration students and graduates, to pilot programs in our own states, starting in one community and access grant money for funding the administration of care, with business office/bill collection folks to access medi-cal/medicaid funds (as long as that state has budgeted them).

In Canada, it started with 7 physicians. Here, physicians seem more "pocket book" oriented (their own), so it's up to us. Who's willing to work on that?

[marvelous_truth]

I think waiting for a "national" healthcare program is useless. Calling it socialism gives it an inappropriate anxiety producing connection I do wish MM hadn't used Communist countries troops in his film....).

Every state has its unique machinations, and health delivery systems. We nurses should rise to the occasion, allying with university schools of

hospital administration students and graduates, to pilot programs in our own states, starting in one community and access grant money for funding the administration of care, with business office/bill collection folks to access medi-cal/medicaid funds (as long as that state has budgeted them).

In Canada, it started with 7 physicians. Here, physicians seem more "pocket book" oriented (their own), so it's up to us. Who's willing to work on that?

I would support building a better foundation rather than continue to remodel or add to the top of the fraudulent foundation that will inevitably collapse.

I do respect the fact that many want to help. This forum discusses nursing and before I can adequetly Nurse I must prepare. Likewise with building a legitimate economy, people must have an acurate education on the fraudulent economy before becoming involved in what is essentially non solutions. It is such principles that the Founding fathers new was needed education for the preservation of a free people. The whole political economy, healthcare sytem and political system is built apon a faulty fraudulent system that was intentiionally designed as such by few and supported by the many who were and are unaware of the faulty foundation and historic monetary policy and failures, or successes, depending on which side of the fraud you are on.

[UKRNinUSA, RN]

"I dont need to watch moores film to understand that there are problems, I allready know that. I also know that socialism is and always has been a failure to freedom of the masses and a success to those that use it in guise of helping but in actuality enslaving mankind."

Meanwhile the unregulated capitalist machine keeps on turning, it's propaganda keeps on flowing, the rich get richer (and healthier) and the poor get poorer and (sicker). And the middle class, just fades away..................

[marvelous_truth]

"I dont need to watch moores film to understand that there are problems, I allready know that. I also know that socialism is and always has been a failure to freedom of the masses and a success to those that use it in guise of helping but in actuality enslaving mankind."

Meanwhile the unregulated capitalist machine keeps on turning, it's propaganda keeps on flowing, the rich get richer (and healthier) and the poor get poorer and (sicker). And the middle class, just fades away..................

Indeed, and that is a result of not having a truely free market or free market capatilism. Its the monetary policy that promotes such.

I believe Aaron Russo's Documentry would do the country and healthcare MORE educational good than moores film.

[UKRNinUSA, RN]

The bottom line is

we all need healthcare, it is not a service we can do without, which puts us at a disadvantage when negotiating the price of health care services

a health insurance company's goal is to maximize profits and they will do this by cutting healthcare costs i.e. services and raising premiums and copays

therefore we the people end up paying more for an inferior product while the health insurance companies are laughing all the way to the bank.

How exactly does that benefit me?

Think of the collective bargaining power of 300 million people.

Think of how much more cost effective health care would be if you cut out the middleman.

Think of how much you are being screwed.

[pickledpepperRN]

Indeed, and that is a result of not having a truely free market or free market capatilism. Its the monetary policy that promotes such.

I believe Aaron Russo's Documentry would do the country and healthcare MORE educational good than moores film.

I will see this film. I will also continue to pay my income tax.

If it is true that he encourages people not to pay their taxes It will be hard for me to take him seriously.

http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-6099842-7.html

[BBFRN, BSN, PhD]

I dont care if socialized medicine is discussed here. However there is another thread about that.

You came here after this thread has been running for weeks, and want to direct it in a manner you seem fit? You're not getting the premise of the movie, because you have not seen it. Therefore, you really don't have grounds for changing the direction of this thread.

Now back to the topic at hand.

[BBFRN, BSN, PhD]

In Canada, it started with 7 physicians. Here, physicians seem more "pocket book" oriented (their own), so it's up to us. Who's willing to work on that?

Very good point. http://www.pnhp.org/

There is a movement among physicians here, too. Some of our most vocal advocates for a single payer health care system in my state are physicians.

[marvelous_truth]

....nevermind

[BBFRN, BSN, PhD]

...Oh, forget it.