The New Face of Healthcare - page 3

Everyone wants to be a nurse. Nursing is in high demand. The pay is good. Career stability compared to other professions is good. It's a great time for the nursing profession. What trends do... Read More

  1. by   jhanes
    The trend has already started but will accelerate, by design, after 2012, when the Affordable Care Act will bring about a dramatic contraction in demand for nurses to match the multibillion dollar, government mandated cuts in healthcare spending. It has to. Nurses will likely be replaced by technicians, forcing nurses, if they can find employment at all, to work for CNA level wages. Benefits will go away, except for health insurance of course, and many hospitals will go out of business.
  2. by   kf15
    Quote from jhanes
    .... Nurses will likely be replaced by technicians, forcing nurses, if they can find employment at all, to work for CNA level wages. Benefits will go away, except for health insurance of course, and many hospitals will go out of business.
    Wow, a stunningly gross misunderstanding of both the Affordable Care Act and supply/demand. Again, as I said, everyone should KNOW what will happen, so I suggest some quality/factual research!
  3. by   hgrimmett
    Quote from Susie2310
    I am continuing to see trends that have been discussed on allnurses, i.e. "downsizing" of experienced nurses at higher salary levels, who are being replaced by new graduates with BSN's preferentially, or by nurses with 1-3 years of experience.
    Agreed. This has been happening for some time in corporate America, and is continuing to do so.
  4. by   gatoraims RN
    Quote from lbrn22
    I don't. Grades DO matter in my opinion. It's a mark of your dedication to learning, and whether you are willing to do the work and forfeit immediate pleasure for the delayed gratification of 3.5 or above. B's are okay sometimes, our classes are difficult and life does get in the way sometimes, but C's are a sign of laziness in my book. Unless you are stretched so far that C's are the only thing you can muster. Stretched meaning, a job, a family, AND school...then I might understand the C; at least you are getting clinical experience along with the C. However, shouldn't clinical experience equate to good grades? More A's than B's...No C's...
    I am not a C student but I am a Gen Y. I disagree with you. I have seen in my nursing program (RN) people bust their rear ends and still only make a C. They have been in the library most of their free time, but still can only manage to make a C or at best a low B. I am not sure how most nursing schools are but for us an 80 is a low C, and minimum passing.

    As an LPN I know that your "grade" really does not matter. I knew students in my PN class who made straight A's and when the NCLEX came around they could not pass. Being an A vs being a C does not make you a better nurse. Being able to critical think in a emergent situation means more.

    You never know why a student makes C's. They could have a launage barrier, test anxiety, personal issues ect... I do not think anyone knows what kind of nurse they are going to be until they are on the floor.
    Last edit by gatoraims RN on Sep 6, '12
  5. by   libby11
    I also try really hard and I've been getting B's. The problem is not getting a C. The problem is chanting "Cs earn degrees!" and then using it as a reason they didn't study/left early to watch the game and lost quiz points/skipped a whole assignment.

    Getting an A is definitely better than getting a C, but getting a C is okay. And I think getting Bs are okay too, but we should all TRY for that A. In my opinion just aiming for a 70% is not a great work ethic or show of character.
  6. by   royhanosn
    plus a lot of problem, we see is the attitude when first starting out, conflicting with the older patients in the bed looking for care. Its how you handle the problem, your maturity! Gen X, Y, Z...we called it back when I nursed (in the dinosaur era), the Generation Gap.
    Sometimes, its keeping your mouth shut, and listen! Hang your ego at the door! I always ask questions of the doctor, when we not in front of the patient. Some are quite willing to dispense their knowledge.
  7. by   FranEMTnurse
    Certainlly the education requirements are becoming more stringent. The paper work hasn't decreased with the introduction of computer charting, but the record keeping is more accurate. As far as the time consumtion goes, if I may ask; how in the world can nurses keep the lengthy hours they do now unless they are young? Nursing, although very rewarding, and my love, is so stressful now, and with the cost of healthcare continuing to increase with the purchase of all the new technology, how can salaries remain solvent? I believe that there is going to be an eventual reduction in salaries with more work requirement. I certainlly hope not though. It's just my
  8. by   MFLPN
    I agree with some of your statement. MSN's/NP/ADRN and BA are becoming high demand. I worry about the profession of nursing in general. As standards become higher for education. Nurses at this level take on more healthcare management roles over teams of MA's,CNA's, Hosp. Tech's. Yes I can't argue. Higher education is a good thing but, studies out there are showing quality of care is dropping . I have seen some CNA's and MA's that are amazing but a nurse LPN, RN, MSN..ETC ETC delivers higher quality care as a whole. We should be standing together as a profession. Nurses can deliver more patient focused care and communicate to each other about progress or changes in a patient better then someone not in the profession who was cross-trained to do fragmented off duties a nurse used to do. As the higher degrees become more standard I predict these nurses will be management and the bedside care nurses have honed over time will not exist for us as a profession. They will exist for MA's CNA's Hosp Tech. We should be not just elevating education but protecting the foundations of nursing that even if basic are so much of our profession. This I think would make nurses more valuable as a whole what ever degree you have.
  9. by   rubylipstick1
    Wow, I think this is the first "About A Nurse" comic that I've actually disliked. Let us remember: "Age is not an accomplishment, and youth is not a sin" (Robert A. Heinlein).
  10. by   Tiffanybaybay
    So sick of the oversupply of nurses that's why so many nurses want to leave the bedside. There are literally TONS of nurses that would gladly replace you for lower pay. I want to get away from the bedside and work where I'm needed as well. I'm scared of staying at the bedside and competing with the thousands of nurses who just finished school begging for jobs. In 10-20 years I won't be able to compete with them, I may be wiser but they'll be young and stronger and will run circles around me, while I will be tired and want to just sit down somewhere.

    Also, I get sick of the way people bash "gen y" nurses. Get over yourselves. There is nothing new under the sun. There was a time when nurses who wanted to wear scrubs were the young whippersnappers that were tired of the white hats and skirts. Every generation thinks the next generation is lazy and rebellious.

    Don't get me wrong many nurses do have an "gimmie" attitude, but it's not because they don't work hard. Many don't have lives, children, or bills, they just study and study all day! I think it's a culture thing. As a black person, I'm used to people telling me "no," sit down, or work harder. Many of my counterparts didn't live that life and therefore did not like the word "no." They would argue with the teachers about grading, projects, etc! I would just do what I was told. My opinion is not that they're lazy, or stupid, chanting C's get degrees. I just saw it as a culture thing. When you're a part of the privileged class, you continue that thought everywhere you go. But the nurses I went to school with, and work with, NONE of them are lazy. NONE. (btw most other degrees allow you to get your degree with a D, anything but failing! UCONN's MD program is PASS/FAIL see what I mean nurses always trying to kill other nurses. MD's don't do that. A "C" student MD, is just that, an MD! You nurses are killers.)

    So I'm sure people will get ****** at my opinion, but it's not hate, and it may not even be accurate on a wide scale, I'll admit that. It is just how my world presented itself to me.
  11. by   PennyWise
    Hmmm. I guess its kinda how............people standing on the sidewalk all see a car accident, but every single one of them has a completely different story of what actually happened.

    I looked at the cartoon and took it as a jab against older nurses, not younger nurses. Then all the replies droned on and on about Gen-Y people and "why do they hate me just cause I'm young." I kept reading and pretty much every one of them saw it that way instead of mine. Guess I'm odd man out.

    I thought the point of the cartoon was how nurses are sticking around because the recession made it impossible for them to retire (spouses laid off or w/e reason). Notice the older nurse has really long, really gray hair. I figured the babies were put there to exaggerate that nurses age and to drive home the point.

    I have a lot of fear about downsizing and people being "let go" simply because they get paid a little more. I'm no spring chicken, thats for sure. I'm going for a more advanced degree incase I need to look for something that isn't direct patient care. Maybe my personal fears affected how I interpreted the cartoon.
  12. by   anavelez23
    found this offensive, someone has to start somewhere, at one point some oldies looked like this at one point and not every single nurse is "baby"...I have a 47 yr old in my class and Im economy issues, flexibility issues what forced us to change winds...