Challenging specialities

Aromatic · Nov 12, 2016

Whaaaat??? I took care of lots of crazy people in ICU!! You mean you can't just take a few classes as a post masters and automatically recognize and treat EPS? or distinguish between psychosis, delirium, trauma or malingering? I'll be fine, my borderline patient with substance abuse issues is really only suffering from ADHD so I'm going to add a stimulant to the benzodiazepines she's getting for the most severest anxiety on the planet and oh yeah btw that 10 year old threatening Mom with a knife is definitely Bipolar and needs Lithium for sure. Said tongue in cheek however I have seen every single one of the above scenarios at the hands of an under prepared NP.

yeah they should have got their DNP then they could fix everything and invent us some time travel along with it because u no that DNP= the best of nursing and doctoring in one degree.

WKShadowNP, DNP, APRN · Nov 12, 2016

Whaaaat??? I took care of lots of crazy people in ICU!! You mean you can't just take a few classes as a post masters and automatically recognize and treat EPS? or distinguish between psychosis, delirium, trauma or malingering? I'll be fine, my borderline patient with substance abuse issues is really only suffering from ADHD so I'm going to add a stimulant to the benzodiazepines she's getting for the most severest anxiety on the planet and oh yeah btw that 10 year old threatening Mom with a knife is definitely Bipolar and needs Lithium for sure. Said tongue in cheek however I have seen every single one of the above scenarios at the hands of an under prepared NP.

/sits in corner, rocking, hands clapped over her ears, sing ,"LA LA LA I can't hear you." Yeah. So not my Forte. I'm glad for those who can do that.

Aromatic · Nov 13, 2016

heard pain medicine is tough. esp since the DEA is making people cut back people's narcotics.

How would you like to have the conversation: "Sorry sir/maam I know you have been on foxy roxy 30s for 15 years for your back pain, but I have to cut your down to the LowTabs."

Get yelled at, or tears, or whatever for 15 minutes.

" and also, about your alprazolam...."

rinse and repeat 30 times per day

Ill pass

Jules A, MSN · Nov 14, 2016

heard pain medicine is tough. esp since the DEA is making people cut back people's narcotics.
How would you like to have the conversation: "Sorry sir/maam I know you have been on foxy roxy 30s for 15 years for your back pain, but I have to cut your down to the LowTabs."
Get yelled at, or tears, or whatever for 15 minutes.
" and also, about your alprazolam...."
rinse and repeat 30 times per day
Ill pass

Unfortunately yeah we do it all the time in psych. Easiest to start by asking about their baseline pain score, which is always high even on the handfuls of pills so many are prescribed, discuss the cons of being dependent on medication that doesn't seem to be working, then on to attempting to educate that opiates have not been shown per research to be effective for chronic pain.....and as you guessed there are usually tears, threats and insults. Meh just part of the job and in my opinion those of us without the stones to insist on judicious prescribing are taking the cowardly way out or are just after the $$ and look I'm all about making as much $$ as I can however I will not do it at the expense of my patients well being.

PG2018 · Nov 14, 2016

psych patients. psych is hard enough, and psych always has other physical comorbis that goes with it. Not saying psych isnt a physical problem since we learn day by day it is, but you know what I mean.
If you want a challenge hop on the non-compliance bus

It's really astounding how psych patients can be in treatment for a diagnosis for a decade(s), perceive that they're better, stop meds, and relapse.

PG2018 · Nov 15, 2016

heard pain medicine is tough. esp since the DEA is making people cut back people's narcotics.
How would you like to have the conversation: "Sorry sir/maam I know you have been on foxy roxy 30s for 15 years for your back pain, but I have to cut your down to the LowTabs."
Get yelled at, or tears, or whatever for 15 minutes.
" and also, about your alprazolam...."
rinse and repeat 30 times per day
Ill pass

There is not enough money to make pain medicine at all appealing.

PG2018 · Nov 15, 2016

Unfortunately yeah we do it all the time in psych. Easiest to start by asking about their baseline pain score, which is always high even on the handfuls of pills so many are prescribed, discuss the cons of being dependent on medication that doesn't seem to be working, then on to attempting to educate that opiates have not been shown per research to be effective for chronic pain.....and as you guessed there are usually tears, threats and insults. Meh just part of the job and in my opinion those of us without the stones to insist on judicious prescribing are taking the cowardly way out or are just after the $$ and look I'm all about making as much $$ as I can however I will not do it at the expense of my patients well being.

You prescribe opes?

Jules A, MSN · Nov 15, 2016

You prescribe opes?

On rare occasion inpatient. I'll verify continue or taper, never OP.

Jules A, MSN · Nov 15, 2016

There is not enough money to make pain medicine at all appealing.

Agreed. That Suboxone is coming our way has me considering it although I'd need to find a clinic with a similar philosophy as I object to what I see coming out of the MAT clinics in my area. Short term absolutely but I believe there are very few who are unable to achieve sobriety long term using a combo of initial MAT with later Abstinence. Just my opinion but that "we" are putting young people and especially adolescents who's brains aren't even fully formed on Methadone and Subs with the plan that this is an indefinite treatment with minimal, if any, therapy and 12 step requirements is disgraceful imo.

PG2018 · Nov 15, 2016

I don't know. Like I may have said before, I've hung a sign in my office that says "no benzos." I'm so sick of being begged for meds, and I haven't even been in the business for any length of time. New people are not getting them anymore for any reason, and those I inherited on them or placed on them are either being tapered or maintained based on the level of crap I'm going to have to deal with to taper and discontinue. I'm seizing opportunities such as termed insurances and hospitalizations, during which they typically can't obtain benzos, and not continuing them after. I've got one patient I'm managing neuropathy and anxiety with Lyrica, and so when that loses efficacy that's done with. It's not a benzo I know, but less controls the better, IMO. Need I mention at least 40% of my practice are on stimulants? I'm being asked for medical MJ which I don't even recognize as a treatment option.

Facepalm

Jules A, MSN · Nov 15, 2016

Need I mention at least 40% of my practice are on stimulants?

I have exactly 2 adult patients, on stimulants, and I inherited them both on the meds. They work, haven't ever "lost their prescription" or had their car broken into "with the brand new bottle inside" etc. I can't decide which class medication I despise more benzos or stimulants and the providers who hand this stuff out like candy often together until it becomes problematic and they suddenly need a psych specialist evaluation disgust me.

PG2018 · Nov 15, 2016

I have exactly 2 adult patients, on stimulants, and I inherited them both on the meds. They work, haven't ever "lost their prescription" or had their car broken into "with the brand new bottle inside" etc. I can't decide which class medication I despise more benzos or stimulants and the providers who hand this stuff out like candy often together until it becomes problematic and they suddenly need a psych specialist evaluation disgust me.

2/3 of my practice is Peds . No stims, no revenue