Nurse to patient ratio in ED

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What is the nurse to patient ratio where you work? I work at a busy trauma center and we max out at 10 patients per nurse. At 4-6 patients I feel okay (depending on acuity). But when it reaches upwards of 8-10 it can be overwhelming and sometimes it feels downright unsafe! I am not the only nurse who feels this way.

The scariest part is a good deal of them end up being ICU/Step-down. To me it makes NO SENSE that the ICUs have a strict nurse-patient ratio (1-4 patients per nurse depending on the floor and acuity) meanwhile we can have 10 "mystery" patients because you never really know what's going on until they are fully worked up.

Lately with it being winter we have been getting 20-30 patients per area, with 3-4 nurses per area at night. We have been getting stuck with holds because the floors are full including the ICUS/SDUs. Patients have been in the hallway to the point you can barely walk through and it's a downright fire hazard/capacity issue.

Last night I had 8 patients and I had a cardiac arrest come in. I had some help from the other nurses but I thought to myself , "this is ridiculous!" It's physically impossible to take care of the patients adequately when we have that many. I love my job and I love being busy but I obviously do not like when it starts to feel unsafe. My co-workers have expressed the same concern. They are crazy busy on days too but they usually have better staffing and have a few float nurses helping out with triage/discharges/lining patients etc. But they seem to not give a damn about us on nights and we are always short. I care for my patient's and do my absolute best every shift but I can only be in one place at a time. I leave each morning being absolutely exhausted mentally and physically.

Do you guys have similar issues at your facilities?

Specializes in Emergency Nursing.

Wow, sounds like we work in just about the same facility... same area too. Tri-state craziness I suppose! My patient's always ask, "How do you work like this!?" while I'm running from patient to patient, dodging stretchers, contorting myself around family members and various objects... I love the craziness! (albeit it could be safer)

oh man - our acute ED area has 21 beds broken into either 3 or 4 zones, each assigned to one of two teams of providers.

no wait, when we get swamped, we have 42 beds since we can squeeze two in an area and label them "7A, 7B"...

oh oh wait, when we get REALLY swamped, we also have "opposite" beds, as in, "opposite bed 4A"...

in that case, it can be 11-12 patients per nurse.

yep.

I thought they were trying to standardize that ratio nationwide...
Who is "they?"

If you mean the US Senate and House of Reps, not a fing chance in the world.

If you mean CMS... again, not a fing chance in the world.

If you mean the all the legislatures of the 49 other states besides California... not a fing chance in the world.

A few states will get there eventually but all the firm red or pink or anti-union states... not a fing chance in the world.

Specializes in Emergency Nursing.

Next month my ED will be going to 1 nurse to 3 patients. For every two RNs there will be an LPN or Medic with a very broad scope of practice to assist the RN. The driving force behind this is HCAHPS; lowering pt to nurse ratios will hopefully increase satisfaction scores

Pretty sure if I tried to ask any of my ER nurses to take more than 5 patients... they would look at me like I needed the psych bed. I work in a 50 bed ED in N FL and we have typically 5:1 with very little ancillary assistance. (we have approximatly 1:10 tech ratio), but they are typically busy transporting admits upstairs until we run out of inpatient beds.

When I work at a 31 bed ED in S. Texas, we typically had between 6:1 or 8:1 dependent on staffing. I never really felt like I couldn't keep up, but the charting was 'by exception' and we had more ancillary help. (ie: Phlebotomist in ED, more ACPs).

I'd be curious to know how much ancillary staff you have to assist you with the higher ratios, and what their capabilities are.. ie: do your ACPs start foleys, NGT, INTs? Do you have techs who can triage, start IV's, cast/splint, etc?

My ED is 3:1 except if we have call outs then we go to 4:1. Our patients are all typically pretty sick. Fast track is 5:1 and hall patients are 5:1 also. I work in a tiny 17 bed ER but we see 200+ pts a day. Things get crazy sometimes. Especially this time of year.

Specializes in Emergency Nursing.
Pretty sure if I tried to ask any of my ER nurses to take more than 5 patients... they would look at me like I needed the psych bed. I work in a 50 bed ED in N FL and we have typically 5:1 with very little ancillary assistance. (we have approximatly 1:10 tech ratio), but they are typically busy transporting admits upstairs until we run out of inpatient beds.

When I work at a 31 bed ED in S. Texas, we typically had between 6:1 or 8:1 dependent on staffing. I never really felt like I couldn't keep up, but the charting was 'by exception' and we had more ancillary help. (ie: Phlebotomist in ED, more ACPs).

I'd be curious to know how much ancillary staff you have to assist you with the higher ratios, and what their capabilities are.. ie: do your ACPs start foleys, NGT, INTs? Do you have techs who can triage, start IV's, cast/splint, etc?

We have little ancillary staff. We have several areas that each have around 18 beds. But lately, we have 25-40 patients. We have to put people in any nook and cranny we can find. Winter sucks!

So we have 4 nurses to an area, we usually go down to 3 overnight due to short staffing. We have 2 techs per area. Our techs can do blood draws, EKGS, splints/slings, and vitals... that's it. So they techs are overwhelmed as are the nurses. Can't wait for winter to be over!

24 bed ED if you include 3 psych and 1 seclusion bed. We are generally 4:1 with fast track patients mixed in. If you have an unstable critical patient we usually dogpile to get them started and the primary nurse stays 1:1 or even gets more help as a 1:2 if the patient is very ill. The rest of the team, float, or charge absorbs their other rooms.

Specializes in ER, progressive care.
I'd be curious to know how much ancillary staff you have to assist you with the higher ratios, and what their capabilities are.. ie: do your ACPs start foleys, NGT, INTs? Do you have techs who can triage, start IV's, cast/splint, etc?

If we have a tech, they're typically out in triage either helping to register patients, get vitals or bring them back. Some nights we are lucky and have two techs but one will always be out in triage. Most nights we don't have techs, though. The nurses do just about everything where I work.

I work in a community ER with 8 ER beds and 10 care track beds. WE have hall beds also that we utilze almost daily. We work on a team basis and do not assign specific beds to nurses (which can be great or terrible depending on your coworkers). There are 5 dayshift nurses and 4 night shift nurses with 4-5 midshifters throughout the day. That gives us a ratio of about 3 or 4:1 depending on the time of day. We also have a 24 hr secretary and 12 hour EMT-IV. I feel like the staffing is here is superb and when the nurses on shift are quick and willing to work hard, the patients are taken care of very well.

I have been in other ER's where the ratios are higher and they still function well, but having 8 or especially 10 acute pt's is extremely unsafe.

I don't even know if I want to share this with everyone for the sheer ridiculousness of the ratio in my ER. Just want some reactions I guess.

We are a level 1 trauma in the bronx. Staffing is no more than 11-12 nurses at night to the whole ER. Usually - 1 in pediatrics, 1 charge, 4 in the main ER, 1 in the other 'stepdown' ER/I guess you could say fast track, 1 in triage, 1 in the psych ER which leaves an extra triage nurse or relief nurse. The ratio of patients... on average 10:1... on top of that med notes and traumas we accrue throughout the night...

The other night during the blizzard my nurses worked with a staff count of 6 and at one point in the night they had 106 patients in the ER..

3-4 is the norm for me. If I have to take on a 5th, it starts to get overwhelming...

Specializes in Family practice, emergency.

@violanurse... it seems all NYC vicinity hospitals have poor RN staffing. Do you agree?

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