NP w/no desire for RN?

Well, not so much NO desire...but are there any NP's out there that wanted to become (and had their sights set on being an NP from day 1) an NP with no real 'drive' to be an RN first? My cousin is finishing up her RN-MSN program and never really wanted to become an RN, but she really wanted to become an NP, so she went the RN route to become an NP (which I know you have to do).

I know this is somewhat rare, but wondering are there any other NP's out there that looked at RN as kinda pre-NP school/clinical stuff in order to become an NP? Like, they may not be real thrilled with what they are doing (RN) but they know they have to do it in order to become an NP. Keep in mind I'm not saying you would hate being an RN or hate RN's or anything to that affect, but you dream has been to become an NP and RN school/work is a sort of necessary 'not the most enthusiastic' hurdle?

[zenman]

this is not rocket science. you make it sound like a NP is just thrown out there. when you graduate as an advanced practice nurse, that means you have gone to school for a minimum of 6 years. don't you think in that time, you would have a good understanding of everything involved? if you don't, then somethings wrong. i believe that if you plan to practice mostly in a hospital (which i don't), then get some experience if that's what you feel like you want to do, but i don't think it's necessary. before i began working the floor, i thought the same way, you HAVE to have experience. it wasn't UNTIL i worked on the floor that i realized everything i was doing had nothing to do with being an NP. so i asked my friend who was already in the NP program, "of everthing i'm doing on the floor, what translates to helping me in the NP program", she said basically.....nothing, and she was right. now that i'm in the program, she's totally right. it's two entirely different jobs.

You have one year of experience! Siri will you respond to this as you have more patience than I do? (I studied too much Carl Whitaker!) With my years of experience, I'm cruising through NP school and waiting for the challenging stuff. On second thought, don't listen to Siri either as she never knows what she's talking about

[desanobsn]

I wonder how this impacts those who want to go straight into NP school with no RN experience? Even though RN practice is not the same as NP practice you still have some valuable experience behind you.

again zenman, your doing something completly different. valuable experience in one job is great for THAT job. different jobs require different skills. you have to compare apples to apples.

[desanobsn]

this is sarcasm......so the BSN makes one a better nurse than the ADN? dont all nurses take the same licensure examination?

by your post then you could say than an entry level MSN-RN nurse is better than a BSN nurse, even both took the same exam.

this is not sarcasm, just incorrect information.

[Selke]

Well, I am heartened by the fact that the job postings I see for CNMs on listservs and other places state that they will "consider a new CNM graduate only if she was an experienced L&D nurse before going to midwifery school." (paraphrased)

So my years experience aren't an unnecessary waste out in the Real World and maybe my learning curve will be steeper and shorter ...

[desanobsn]

my heart wants to agree with you, but the "research" suggests little to no difference in performance after completion of a np program using years of experience as the independent variable.

i've read the same research prairie, i personally know several outstanding nps who went straight-through after getting their bsn. christy may not be great at starting an iv, but who the heck cares. she doesn't need that skill. i wouldn't hesitate to send any of my family or friends to her. she's top-notch, knows what she's doing (because she is book-smart), and her pts adore her. what more could you want.

[desanobsn]

Good Luck and God Bless I'm sticking with experience. It has got me through some tough time in codes and life experiences. Just make sure you have good Malpractice insurance.

oh brother!!! seems to me that everybody who's any type of healthcare provider needs good malpractice insurance. even you

[desanobsn]

Hello, Amitai

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

This thread is not about a health care applied to the provide. It does not show experience or no experience as a rn going into the nurse practitioner program at all. As I stated above it is bashing and off the topic of this thread. Anyone can begin a thread concerning any issue that would provide positive criticism and a resolution. In your post the description of the nurse practitioner does not show the theme of this thread at all. Your post reveals other issues that are concerning to you. 1) Lack of respect for you as an ER tech. 2) Lack of respect by your patient and medical personnel. 3) The negative attitudes by medical personnel due to the lack of education and skills of ER techs. 4) The lack of communication by medical personnel and ER Techs. Those are some of the issues that I derive from your post.

In addition, part of the post spoke about your experience in the ER and the desire to continue your education of becoming an NP. Before, you can become a NP, one must become a nurse and the issue is the experience or no experience to attend nurse practitioner program. This shows the theme of the thread. Therefore, the theme and your thoughts/concerning experience or no experience prior attending a nurse practioner program is experience

would be necessary to be successful according to your post.

Any one can develop a thread on the site and reveal an issue that is concerning as well as to provide a resolution to the issue.

Have a Safe and exciting day with your family and friends.

Buttons

butt, not one person is being rude or disrespectful. you seem to be having a lot of issues with these postings, i'd say maybe they're hitting just a little too close to home.

[desanobsn]

"Death by political correctness" -- the ANA and the other PTB in nursing made a big push, starting in the '60s (starting, specifically, with a 1965 ANA position statement on differentiated levels of practice), to move all nursing education into academic settings instead of hospital settings. I have no disagreement with that principle at all -- I just dislike how it's been implemented. I'm shocked at how little new grads know about nursing today compared with what my peers and I knew (and knew how to do) when we graduated.

The irony, to me, is that, in the big push to "professionalize" nursing education and try to make it an academic pursuit, we're going back more and more to "on the job training" (which is what nursing fought so hard to get away from a century ago!) -- all the extended "new grad" orientation programs, "externships," "preceptorships," etc.; hospitals now assume that new grads don't know how to do anything and they're going to have to teach them everything practical they need to know.

wow, you are soooo right. when i graduated with a BSN in 2004, i had no clinical skills at all. i knew how to make a bed and bath a pt., had started one IV, put in one foley, and had passed just a few po meds. that was it, no lie, but i could tell you everything you ever wanted to know about quantitative and qualitative research design. everyone in my class wanted more clinical time, but with 140 credit hours to get your degree, they said we didn't have time for clinicals, and that we would learn clinicals when we got on the floor. actually as they put it, "you can teach a monkey to learn practical skills". when i graduated and started working, let me tell you, many times i wish i was that "monkey". it was all so overwhelming and intimidating. you had to have extended orientation with a preceptor, because you had no knowledge about what do to on the floor, or how to care for a pt. my orientation was 8 wks, and even with that i was so scared to be on my own, because i had never had less that 7-8 pts. scary!!!

this posting was very interesting to me, and i sure wish clinicals were like this when i got my degree.

[desanobsn]

Pitty, Nurses putting other nurses down. I see why the nursing profession is not taking serious by some other professions, Just listen to your comments about

Associate degree nurses. Associate degree nurses get much more hands on clinical than most Bachelor degree nurses and coming out of school are much better nurses on the floor. This group of NP OR want to NP or laugh out loud unbelievable :rotfl:

i completely agree with marylyric!!!! if the nursing profession is not taken seriously, it's because our criteria for becoming nurses is lacking compared to other professions. when education level no longer matters, you have a problem. education does matter and should matter.

[desanobsn]

Um ... All MDs do have doctorates (also DOs) -- An MD is a doctoral degree ... (Hint -- that's why they're callled "doctors" ...)

too funny

[desanobsn]

I never heard of her either, and have been doing this too many years to count, and I teach as well.

are you kidding?

[desanobsn]

I tell all my friends not to get sick, because most of the nurses coming out of school today are either looking for a doctor to marry or think they are going to make a lot of money, meaning these nurses don't really care about the patient. I went to visit a friend the other day in a hospital after her surgery

and she is a nurse w/ a master's degree, she was appalled, her call light went unanswered, no one to help her get washed and she was on the bedpan for more than an hour. This kind of practice is horrible and I'm not looking forward to getting old, it doesn't help when administrator's insist on nurses

taking care of 10- 15 patients. Fortunately I work on in a specialty hospital

and usually have no more than 3-4 patients on night shift. Beleive me these nurses, the one that you are talking about who are overweight and still smoke, her patients probably have less complications and a lower risk of dying after surgery, than a newer nurse taking care of the same pt. I wouldn't want a NP taking care of me especially if she wasn't an RN first.

She certainly wouldn't know what to do or what to assess for.

Lets give some credit to the clinical nurse who usually knows what wrong with the pt. before the doctor, after all the RN at the bedside has a lot more time to see what is going on and knows what tests a pt. needs.

For your information I'm not overweight, do not smoke, and have practiced nursing in a hospital for about 14 years. If I went back for more education it would be, to become a CRNA, they make a lot more mony and get more respect than NP's or PA's . Why not just go to med school?

I hope if you need a nurse, that you will get one that enjoys bedside care

and has the knowledge to take care of you. Like I said, it is scary out there!

WOW, i can't believe i just read this, how untrue. most women i know prefer to get married because they are in love. i know many RNs that wouldn't be caught dead marrying a doc. i don't know what kind of NPs you are familiar with, but the ones i know are intelligent, caring providers that would know exactly what to do and what to assess for.