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In my ER, I think one of the worst problems we have is getting the patients up to the floor. I totally understand if there are no beds, there is nothing that anyone can do about that. However, I am sick of hearing the excuses "I cant take report the bed isnt washed", "the nurse is on break". The nurse is on break all night long when I call (I would like a transfer to that floor please), and you know damn well when you take report that the patient isnt going up right away, so by the time we get them up the bed is done.

Last night I couldnt believe my ears.

First I had the written/faxed report HAND DELIVERED to the floor because they claim thier fax is broken, and then 3 hours later when I finally got the patient rep to find out what was going on they told us "the room smells so I cant take report or the patient". Finally we got the patient rep up to the room along with 3 other people to find out if the room really did stink. It didnt. Its now approaching 6 am, and they wont take report after that. I understand not wanting to take report at 6, but if you put it off all night long, and its now 6 than tough $hit in my book. You could have done this much earlier.

I am sick of every night having to spend hours of time trying to get this patient up to the room. Faxing, calling, ect. Its ridiculous. Nurses blame the housekeeping staff, (which sometimes it is, but more often than not it isnt) and it seems that nobody is held accountable. I am sure if they did something like made the housekeeping staff supervisor notify the nurse supervisor whenever the bed is ready that this would put pressure on the nurses and call them out when they try to make excuses. in most other hospital the floors must take report even if the nurse is on break, she/he has someone covering for them, its not like there is no-one there.

Sorry about my rant!

This is a MAJOR problem in our ED. When we are holding 20 admissions and more are coming in through triage and we are on full bypass, I don't want to hear that the nurse is on break. I am lucky if I get to pee, let alone eat. If I call at 4...I get " the nurse is listening to report," If I call at 6...the nurse is eating.. If I call at 8, the nurse is taping report.If I call at 10 , it is too late wait for the next shift. IF I call anytime in between, the nurse is " too busy". If the bed is not ready, you can still take report. Also, any RN can take report. It doesn't have to be the RN getting the pt. I take telephone orders all the time on pts I dont know. And more than half the time the nurse receiving the pt is downright nasty. I understand that we are all under stress, but if that was their loved one laying down in the ER for 2 days , I am sure they would be the first one to ***** about it.:( :( :( :(

You all still sound as though you think ER nurses are the only ones who get busy - we work 12-hour shifts without breaks, too. I have come on the floor at 0715 and found three admissions sitting in the hallway! Is that safe? Is that good patient care? Most of them have been in the ER since 2200 (yes, we can look up what time they arrive). What about giving report to the people going off shift, and waiting to give the people coming on time to organize before you send them up? Why is it that most of the transfers come at shift change? Just asking.....

Specializes in Trauma,ER,CCU/OHU/Nsg Ed/Nsg Research.
Originally posted by Repat

Why is it that most of the transfers come at shift change? Just asking.....

In my hospital, It's Bed Control that causes this problem- not the ER nurses. I've been pulled down to the ER to cover bed holds, and the open beds wouldn't pop up onto the board until around shift change for some reason. So, as soon as the beds popped up on the board, the ER charge nurse would let us know to call and give report.

And as far as not getting the patient up to the floor right away after being given report because the pt had to go get a CT, etc., I appreciate this because at least it got done before I got the pt and had to truck them down there.

If I'm busy with a sterile dressing change, etc. when the ER nurse calls to give report, I do find it's helpful to give them a decent idea (10-15 minutes) of when I'll call them back to get report, and keep my word on it. If the ER nurse is busy when I call back, I leave a message with their secretary that I did call back, and that I'll wait for his/her call when he's/she's ready. And I don't start on other treatments, etc. until after I get the call back. This works for me pretty well.

It also helps to call housekeeping up to clean the room as soon as bed control calls us to tell us the bed will be booked.

Like it or not - we all have it tough in different respects. Most of the places I've worked the units/floors really do try to take report and accept pt's in a reasonable amt of time - do we always succeed - no! However, the question I have for the ED nurses (and no need to bite my head off) is - how many times have the doc's down in your dept. sat on a pt. for hours on end and then suddenly at change of shift the pt suddenly HAS to be transferred out of the ED? Frankly, it happens more often than many of us are ready to "admit" (For instance, when the ED doc's just can't bear to wake the attendings up @ 0200, or I want to leave on time - what a concept!!!) A suggestion for both sides - better communication can really make things flow a lot better rather than biting each others head off.

Specializes in Emergency room, med/surg, UR/CSR.

What about giving report to the people going off shift, and waiting to give the people coming on time to organize before you send them up? Why is it that most of the transfers come at shift change? Just asking.....

That's what I try to do when I get an admit that is close to shift change. I don't know how it is on the floors having never worked there, but I do try to be considerate to them. I can't control when the doc is finally ready to let the patient come to the floor, nor if the bed is ready, but I will do my best to get report called as far from shift change as I can. If it is close to shift change then all I ask is for the floor to take report and the patient can come up when the next shift is ready for them. I don't like to leave an admit to someone who has just come on and has other patients to take care of as well. It makes more sense for someone who knows the patient to call report than for someone who hasn't had time to do more than say hi to the patient.

Sorry if this is confusing.

Pam

Man...I don't even know where to begin...

Ok, so as far as Docs go...

The docs in my ER have absolutely no problem calling the attendings at whatever God-awful time of the night it is...the attendings don't all back right away. And most of the time they want 5 different consults..oh and "could YOU notify them all so I don't have to come in and do my job!"

And let me just give you my problem with no report at shift change...

In our hopital there are many shifts that nurses can work...07-15, 07-19.15-23, 15-03, 19-07, 23-07... Ao, if the floor nurses cannot take report 30 min before or after shift change that means I cannot call between 0630-0730, 1430-1530, 1830-1930, 0230-0330, 2230-2330. Then we have lunch from 1130-1330 and dinner from 1730-1930. So let me see...somewhere between 0900 and 0930 maybe I can call report...if the nurse isn't taking a morning break!!

Now don't get me wrong...I worked on a VERY busy Tele unit for a very long time. I know how busy it can get. But add to that same business the 25 people waiting 3-4 hours in triage...some with chest pain and dyspnea, and the ambulances with critical patients-bypass or no bypass- and you may get a small idea of the definition of "unsafe".

Plus, when they come to the floor they are generally through the acute phase...I have already put a tube in every orifice...you're covered!

We all have to understand that it is never a good thing to put a ptient in a hallway. But when the hall is all that your left with...it becomes a question of who's hallway is safer? Mine in the ED? Where I am PRAYING that there is a pulse attached to teh rhythm that i see on your monitor as I race by to take care of the next MI? Where my support system is other ER nurses who know as little as I do or less about the maintainance gtts that are haging now?

Or in your hall where at least the other nurses you confer with for support have the same training and knowledge base as you do. Where that patoient populaiton is cared for EVERYDAY so you know what to look for and how to prevent complications without have to check the drug books first. Isn't that why you take youe certifications? And your validations?

Sometimes we are left with less than optimal choices...but as nurses we need to be advocates for our patients. And choice the best of the bad choices...for our patient's sake...not the other units nurses.

PS-Sorry about the typos...I was on a roll

Specializes in Trauma,ER,CCU/OHU/Nsg Ed/Nsg Research.

RNin92,

It sounds like your hospital could really benefit from having an ICU float nurse down in your ER to cover those patients.

Well, I could really get rolling here, too. First of all, the nurses in your ER aren't trained? They are working with drips they don't know any thing about?? Remind me to skip that hospital -

Secondly, you sound like a thorough and knowledgeable nurse, but I can't count the number of times I have gotten a R/O MI with no IV access, no CK/Trop drawn, never mind the poop and pee that has been there for hours. And don't get me wrong - I know how busy it can get, and I usually just clean them up and get on with other things, but not when an ER nurse says "I've already done the hard things, you just have to take them." Not so, we all have our moments, patients don't come up from ER gift wrapped and pretty. Thanks, and sorry about my roll....

I agree with repat. And RNin92 - stop blaming and pointing the finger at everone else for a systems problem in your hospital. In the big picture of things it's not the floor nurses fault. I could go on but it's not worth wasting my breath.

Specializes in Trauma,ER,CCU/OHU/Nsg Ed/Nsg Research.

I agree with the above- it sounds like a systems problem. Why are you taking unstable drip patients without critical care certification? If you want to save your license, you might want to jump in to the next critical care class at your hospital if it's offered.

Sorry for my rant but you all have understand the frustration comes form trying to give the best care possible to the patient.

As far as training goes...most of our ER nurses have taken a critical care class. I am fortunate enough to have critial care background. But you know how true the old saying...if you don't use it you lose it...really is. One critical care class and yearly competencies DO NOT make an ICU nurse!

You ICU nurses certainly recognize the value and worth of your continual exposure and experience of dealing with the critical patient population! I certainly acknowledge that I am NOT an ICU nurse just because I have taken the class and have background.

My frustration comes from what appears to be more concern over the nurse-patient ratio than the patient him/herself. I KNOW how hard it is to handle the high-tech equipment and the critical drips involved in a really sick patient. That is my point.

And you are right that there is system problem in my hospital. But unfortunately it will not change unless the nurses in the ER are given help and support from our colleagues on the floor. Instead it has become us vs. them. And in this battle the only winner is administration. But the real loser is the patient.

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