Not trying to stir up bad ideas, but......

KannRN · Nov 30, 2006

I am what my moniker says. 20 years experience in anesthesiology/pain medicine....not impressed by how many degrees a person has nor how many letters they can cram after their names even though if I listed all my credentials they would fill an entire line. What is important is that CRNAs are in an excellent profession and should be proud of "CRNA". There is no need to compare yourselves to MDs via education, years of training, or job attributes. You chose to be a nurse for a reason and for most, it was not because you could not have become a doctor- it was because you did not want to do so. So that is the reason for my diatribe against exaggeration of credentials/training....there is no need for that.

yes, yes, yes, paindoc. Nurse anesthesia is an excellent profession as the practice of Medicine is. There is actually nothing wrong with comparing any profession side by side as it would show one the similarities and differences and perhaps provide direction for someone in pursuit of---but undecided on which route to take.

But You didnt answer my question about your own credentials and background and education! Dont you think that "20 years experience in anesthesiology/pain management" is vague? Or even evasive?

subee, MSN, CRNA · Nov 30, 2006

The statement "It requires at least 7 years to become a CRNA" is completely true. What is not true is an attempt to mislead the public by saying CRNAs have 7 years education as a CRNA. CRNAs have 4 years total education as a CRNA, 2 extra years taking non-nursing courses, and a year's work requirement thrown in. MDs do not say it takes 14 years to become a doctor: it takes 4 plus an additional 4-5 specific training in residency.
But suit yourself...if it floats your boat to say you have 20 years education to become a CRNA (Kindergarden + 12 years primary and secondary school + 4 years undergrad + one year of work + 2 years CRNA school) then great!!! Or if you get continuous nursing education credit each year and have been out of CRNA school for 10 years, then you now are up to 30 years education to be a CRNA.

Pray tell, what medical school will accept you as a high school grad? If a patient asks me how long it takes to become an anesthesiologist, I tell them about 11 years. Its just a SIMPLE question, I applied to med school and the application asked for ALL my undergrad courses. I had about 210 credits (before CRNA school) and it took forever to complete. So don't tell me that the years in undergrad. didn't count since some of them were pre-reqs. specifically for med. school. I just decided that I didn't want to be a 40 year old intern deeply in debt and physics and organic didn't count for nothing! The only other programs that required the p. and o. were dentistry and nurse anesthesia and I had flat feet so dentistry would never do. That was in the 80's at an Ivy League school - only applied to one place so I don't know what requirements were in other schools.

jwk · Nov 30, 2006

Pray tell, what medical school will accept you as a high school grad?

Actually, there are at least a couple that are 6yr BS/MD programs that take students straight out of high school.

deepz · Nov 30, 2006

Actually, there are at least a couple that are 6yr BS/MD programs that take students straight out of high school.

Of course, as many PhDs say, an MD isn't truly a 'real' doctorate degree...............

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paindoc · Nov 30, 2006

Correcto! I used to teach at one of those colleges that accepted the brightest, albeit some of the geekiest, people from high school into the MD program.

As for my credentials....permit me to be frank. None of your damned business.

KannRN · Dec 1, 2006

Correcto! I used to teach at one of those colleges that accepted the brightest, albeit some of the geekiest, people from high school into the MD program.
As for my credentials....permit me to be frank. None of your damned business.

No problem here paindoc. Your attitutide speaks volumes and your persistant evasiveness suggests the possiblity that you lack credentials, and that you just might be well versed on different aspects of the health care field. Anyone determined enough can obtain any information they want and become self-schooled. On the other hand, people who have spent years obtaining whatever degree and certifications they have are generally honest, sometimes humble, but able to state their background---without the defensive attitude.

LuvMyGamecocks · Dec 1, 2006

*****

paindoc · Dec 1, 2006

There is no need to demonstrate credentials of any kind to anyone on this board since it wouldn't really matter what credentials I cited...they would be doubted by the interlopers on this site, and critiqued as insufficient to meet their personal requirements. Plus, this is not an academic argument for publication...it is simply a website for discourse. I save my academic and professional qualifications for those that merit them...ie. the publications I have in the literature and the national organizations to which I belong and sit on leadership positions. It is not necessary to display them here.

versatile_kat · Dec 1, 2006

Come on people - lighten up! Paindoc appears to have a lot to offer when it comes to anesthesia ... we could use some more professionals on this board with quality experience to add to the clinical discussions. Give the woman/man a break!

Jocie · May 9, 2007

yoga crna,

i am preparing to apply to gonzaga's anesthesia school. i have wanted to go to crna school for a long time. i graduated nursing school with my adn at the age of 20 and then worked for two years and went back to lcsc's rn to bsn program and completed that program in one year (a two year program) along with working. i just graduated with my bsn at the age of 24. i noticed from one of your threads that you teach at gonzaga's program and i wanted to know if you were aware of any classes that i might be able to take prior to being accepted into the program, that are required for the program? if so would you please let me know. you can e-mail me through this.

any information you would have would be greatly appreciated!!

thanks

jocelyn

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