Not sure how to word this - fingers in while pushing

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Ok, I'll try to word this as well as I can. You know how you can "help" epidural pts push by putting your fingers in the birth canal and creating pressure on the posterior wall? I was taught just to push your fingers down to "show" them where to push. I've seen RNs and MDs do it different ways, like just pushing and also stretching (moving the fingers in a sweeping motion). I always just push down when I do it, bc I don't want to cause too much swelling.

Today a resident asked me (after a pt wasn't pushing effectively) if I was doing that. I said yes, and he said, now you know, just push down like *this* with a little demonstration, not *this* the sweeping motion. I said sure. Then when my manager came to help the pt push all she did was the sweeping motion and the pt had her baby within 20 min. I never got a chance to ask her or the resident the reasoning behing each, so I was wondering what words of wisdom you guys had.

Side note, manager has been on L&D 26 yrs, and this is a new 4 yr resident. But I do try to respect the MDs bc they have to know all the newest research and practice guidelines (obviously not the RN stuff), as we are in a teaching facility.

One of our OB's would have a bird if we did this to his pts. Yet another OB will let us do it with the multips, but not primips.

I agree with Deb, let them labor down.

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I had two great (great meaning not much pain, but felt total pressure and the urge to push) epidurals w/ my labors. In the first, my CNW inserted her fingers in and pressed down. She said "HERE is where I want you aim for when you push--right down here." I remembered this the second time and both babies were born after about 15 min of pushing. I just assumed it was to give me an area to focus on...

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As with so many other posters here, it is a very individual issue. I've used sweeping motions and straight down pressure; everyone responds differently. I use either one rarely, but someone having difficulty pushing is sometimes helped by being given some direction in where to push.

I agree with laboring down, even if the patient doesn't have an epidural. I once had a primip dilate very rapidly and everyone rushed in to "help", assuming that she'd descend as rapidly as she dilated. I was at her head coaching and before I knew it, she was up in stirrups with residents in attendance. The intern was giving her pressure to try to get her to push and she just wasn't ready to push yet. She started screaming. I was nearly as overwhelmed as she was by all the fuss in the room and blurted out, "Get your fingers out of her, you're hurting her!"

That got everyone's attention. The intern left, everyone shut up for a couple of contractions and she started pushing well on her own. I did have to appologize to the intern because I was less than tactful. Unfortunately, he didn't hear my reason for saying what I did, only my aknowledgement that I spoke inappropriately.

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