Methadone and NAS- from a mom's perspective

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I have been reading over some posts on the topic on this forum today and wanted to start a thread to address several topics. I realize some of the posts I read were several years old and that the info may have been right at the time, or those members may no longer be active. That said, I feel the need to clear some misconceptions. I will say that these issues are near and dear to me, but I am not a medical professional, simply a mother, a birth doula, and someone who does her research. I did consider nursing but at this time realized an HDFS degree alongside birth and lactation support/work is the path for me. Anyway... I got pregnant despite contraception after around two years of methadone maintenance and recovery. I spent a lot of time and discussion making the choices I made. I gave birth to a full term, healthy baby boy who showed signs of severe NAS around 48 hours and spent a little over 5 weeks in NICU. I roomed in with him there for that duration. We breastfed despite challenges and are still going strong at over a year, along with plenty of fresh organic fruits, veggies, soy, grains, and other solids.

1) Breastfeeding- Not only is it "ok" but it is strongly recommended and can reduce severity of NAS in addition to all its non-MMT/NAS specific benefits. Initially the cut-off dose was 30mg by AAP- subsequent studies found that mom's dose had little to no effect on how much got into her milk, and that the amount was so miniscule in any case as to do more harm than good by prohibiting it- thus they got rid of the dose cut-off altogether and now encourage BFing for any and all moms on Methadone Maintenance (given that there are not other considerations that could rule out BFing of course). Now, the link between less severe NAS is unclear, since the amount is so minuscule, some speculate that it has more to do with other protective substances in breastmilk and/or the closeness and bonding providing comfort to the baby than any pharmacological mediating effect. Please, if not already, amke pumps accessible, and trained IBCLCs available daily to help NICU situation mamas learn to nurse- while not officially acknowledged as a side effect all the time, I have observed in my son and friends' descriptions that feeding can be a struggle- pushing formula is not the answer. Get the lactation consultants, the breast pump, finger feeding, nipple shields. We are proof that if mom and baby stick it out with strong daily support it works. My son was either too overstimulated or too tired to nurse, and when my milk came in he had trouble latching. We worked progressively for weeks. It was frustrating at times, but between the nurses and LCs support, and determination, we made it. Please respect mamas who desire to breastfeed and help them to overcome obstacles- well meaning suggestions like, "get some sleep and we'll bottle feed the babe," "just give some formula," etc. are not always helpful and can hinder or halt a breastfeeding relationship. Please defer to the IBCLCs when needed; this is their expertise.

2) Stigma- Some nurses seem very angry towards some of these moms. To be honest, I too feel anger towards moms who abuse drugs that could harm their child (the most harmful seems thus far to be alcohol) during pregnancy. And towards moms who have a baby in the NICU for ANY reason and then avoid being there during that crucial time with their babe (though I too know they have other circumstances which may intervene and it is not my place to judge them either). And I too feel some residual guilt anger and confusion at the situation I was in, but it's healing. I know I did the best I could and couldn't have done anything better/different with better outcome, so I have no regrets, and my son is healthy and happy today. NICU just a fading memory (though at the time, it felt like hell- no offense to the wonderful nurses out there, just that no mom wants to see their baby in NICU to start their life in this world, you cannot even explain it if you haven't been there, though on the other side of the coin I imagine you folks have some good insights better than most) But yes- please understand and do not judge- most mamas judge themselves enough even though they may know in their head they did the right thing, it is still so hard. Personally, I knew in advance this was a risk that could happen, and the odds, chose the hospital w/ best NICU, and roomed in w/ my son until discharge as stated. Some moms with jobs, other children at home, etc. cannot do this I know. Some hospital NICUs do not have these facilities.

Also stereotypes- one nurse said something about "those babies" or something. I know she was just used to doing her job, but it hurt me not to have myself and my son seen as an individual, and the tone accompanying the words. Please think before speaking in generalized terms unless medical info is being given, and know that this is something you've dealt with, but it is a first for most of these parents.

3) Blame- I also feel that any parent who did/does use these (harmful) drugs during pregnancy would be doing so because she couldn't understand or stop-- addiction. And the fact that moms HAVE been imprisoned and punished for such, and not been given help when asked only deters those pregnant moms coherent and willing enough to come forward for treatment. Now, other things- stress, caffeine, nicotine, etc. are harmful, many less harmful than opioids, but there is a stigma with NAS, I think it's undeniable. I also understand that nurses say that babies withdrawing from heroin seem to have an easier time-- but research shows that the risks of this to the mom and baby outweigh the benefits of an easier withdrawal. Of course if babe makes it healthy to term and then needs NAS tx for heroin brought-on NAS/WDs, since it is a short acting opioid, it will be less severe and take less time in all likelihood.

BUT, it poses risks to mom and baby- if someone is about to become a parent, they need to find recovery, not keep using illegal short-acting thus more euphoric drugs, first of all. And second, methadone is the best option safety profile, history of use, accessibility (well that one could be argued, I have real issues w/ the clinic system but that is another story for another day).

Coming off an opiate while pregnant is actually contraindicated, and heroin with its short duration and withdrawals consistently increases the risk of poor outcomes over MMT, so the moms who stay on methadone (if already on it- in my case, contraception failed, I had been sober and stable on MMT for several years) or choose to go onto it from heroin or other opioid drugs, if they want to pursue recovery and continue their pregnancy, are not being selfish or trying to get high- on a maintenance dose, patient is tolerant to all euphoric, analgesic, and sedative effects of the drug. One feels "normal" and level on the right dose. Some people will always manipulate or have poor motives, but I think most MMT moms from my experiences have good intentions and are following the best known medical advice of our time to stay on the opioids for the pregnancy and slowly taper when they are ready (for some right after birth; for some, they need it for life- it depends). I have never felt "high" from my MMT dose (not that it matters, but I am tapering slowly off of MMT at this point in my life, which has some unpleasant side effects but the slow pace minimizes them so I can continue to be a good and functional parent to my son) and would not want to, that is NOT the point of maintenance. Blood tests (though some question their ultimate efficacy) are also used by the physicians to monitor appropriate dosing of the MMT patients.

As for accusations that people combine methadone AND heroin, or other drugs- the clinics make you jump through quite a few hoops. Weekly urinalysis, often observed, random urinalysis call-backs and bottle counts/checks, counseling sessions and groups, etc. They are extremely strict with those policies- you cannot assume most MMT patients are just partying it up, because they really have to meet some strict guidelines, including daily dosing for 3 mos, then every other day dosing for another 3-6 mos, etc. (phase system) and are drug tested (not foolproof, but pretty accurate and well enforced imho). Most people wouldn't go through the trouble if they were just going to get street drugs too or continue other opiates, and most get caught if they do.

4) NAS Treatment- Again I am not a neonatologist, but it seems babies treated with methadone have more complications reported, and much longer tapers needed, which makes a lot of sense, since it has a much longer half-life. I would encourage use of opium tincture or morphine over methadone for NAS babes- yes it is less convenient for nurses and docs due to the q3-4 dosing BUT it, imho, is better for moms and babies. Sharon Dembinski is a Nurse Practitioner and has extensive experience- her site is a great resource for some of this and links to some of the research referenced.

5) Support- I will forever be grateful for the nurses who treated me simply as a new mother needing support, and as a human being who had to make a hard choice. Those who respected that I wanted the best for my son and listened to my input at rounds every day. Which were the majority actually. So- please do not make snap judgments, see us as individuals. There are moms on mmt for years, moms who just got on a few months before birth. Moms who used contraception, moms who were careless, moms who planned their baby all along. Moms who use other drugs and moms who do not. Moms who are serious about recovery and family, and sadly those who aren't. No matter the case, judgment does not help anyone, and a little support and human kindness can go a long way.

I would venture to say I suffered probably as much as or more than my son did with the NICU stay- once stable, I don't think he felt many symptoms (my input was, better a longer taper, whether or not they would discharge us to finish it which was undecided at that point, than to have him in pain or discomfort) but I cried with him every time he cried the first few weeks- imagine going through that as a mother, you are essentially put in a lose-lose, rock and a hard place, and what is at stake is your CHILD. Empathy. I will say that 99% of nurses, docs, and social workers I spoke with displayed a great amount of this, and we are forever grateful that they helped us to get through that difficult time. Thank you. Please know, others, that this makes a lifelong impact and what you do or do not say is remembered. :redpinkhe Even little things- when they'd otherwise be changing or feeding my son, if I was doing it, they kept me hydrated by refilling my water or herbal tea, a few times washed out the breast pump pieces for me, etc. Little gestures to care for mama, who is in turn caring for baby, also go a long way when you have a mom who is there and doing these things on her own-- which I suppose is not the norm, and may cause burnout or nurses getting jaded feeling they are left to deal with these symptoms without the parents input or support- I realize it goes both ways.

Also, please help mamas (and dads) feel comfortable caring for and holding their babies. I was able to wear my son in the sling, eventually get a pass to go out and walk when the weather got nice once a day, do his weights and diapers and all, etc. (temporarily unhook him from the respiratory and heart monitor if I was directly holding or supervising since they did not feel he was at risk- I know some rules were bent for us, but I am grateful and think they helped us have as normal as possible an immediate postpartum and bonding- as normal as a NICU stay can get I guess) I am a competent mother and appreciated help and respect in doing as much as possible myself- but some are not as confident in their vcompetency I know- if you don't know what moms want/expect, ask! I suppose some moms feel uncomfortable or prefer that nurses do things, but I think it important to encourage new moms to bond and learn those skills for at home.

Babies with NAS from methadone (or other opiates I suppose) are NOT often preemies or otherwise severely medically ill or unstable- they are healthy babies who have symptoms requiring a medication taper to adjust to coming off of. The less machines, the less medical hoops to jump through, the better. NAS is unique compared to what most other mamas and babes I saw during our stay were dealing with and what I imagine most of you deal with. Please let parents develop the confidence to parent their child, as they won't have you there to do it when discharged.

6) Discharge- I was with my son 24/7, to the point where they let me take him home once stable to finish the taper (morphine and phenobarbital- we were in the NICU for 5 weeks and stable before this occurred). I know some say that is a bad idea, but if the baby is stable, mom is already doing all his cares in the NICU setting, it is better to be home and settle in, imho. The morphine dose for a baby is so miniscule no opiate addict in their right mind would take it, and since I have disassociated myself from using peers for years and live alone with my child and our pets, there would be no one to even attempt such. I think much caution should be used here, and don't think that it should be done all the time or a blanket policy by any means, but I do think case-by-case evaluation is warranted, pros and cons weighed in individual circumstances.

Also, I had been requesting a meeting to discuss this option, not often done at our hospital, for a few weeks and when it finally came about, the meeting happened without me told/invited, and I was suddenly told, "ok, you can go home whenever, today, we think it's a good plan for you guys." Please please please involve parents if they are present in order to be involved, and give some discharge planning and notice- it is a big transition and involves coordinating others' schedules and family support in many cases. I was pleased to go home but disappointed in the way it happened.

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I do not mean to accuse anyone personally, just felt a need to respond to the variety of older threads on the topic, and to share my experience firsthand, and hope you may be helped by some info and tips from the "other side of the fence."

I am very interested in your feedback, and maybe your list of tips for parents who have a baby in NICU for such a situation in interacting with nursing staff and physicians for the best possible care and experience given the less than ideal circumstances. Some may not agree with all I have said and that is ok, just please keep responses respectful :) This is my first post here but have helped moderate an addiction recovery forum and participated in other forums so I hope it meets etiquette/posting standards.

Best to you all and the important work you do for babes and families! :redpinkhe

I am a nurse that gave these mothers every benefit of a doubt, but I have learned, the subutex, methadone and suboxone mothers came in two varieties:

1. The regretful

2. The entitled...we all know who these mothers are. They don't want to get better. I am going to discuss the former.

While I don't feel that the majority of mothers who are on replacement therapy get pregnant on purpose, I do feel that they don't full realize that all they have done is substitute one Schedule II drug for another. The taxpayers, IN MOST cases, pay for this twice. They pay not only for the therapy but most of these people don't work. Therefore, we are paying for that too. Very rarely did I ever see these babies admitted to the NICU that had regular insurance, it was always a state policy.

Therefore, it's important to know that if you are in a replacement therapy program that an addict HAS NOT RECOVERED. As long as you are in the program, the addiction continues. However, the mentality is that they 'cured' and they are NOT!!!!!

I have never, in my life, ran into someone that said, "Oh, I USED TO BE in a program, but now I am completely drug free."

Never....ever.

They are in the programs for one, two, three years, even longer. Instead of going down in dosages, they go up. I believe very strongly that addicts that need help should get help. However, I believe one year should be the limit for these programs. That is plenty of time. I believe that the so-called drug testing in these programs is lax...mainly because I can count on one hand with fingers left over of how many times I saw a mother that was in a replacement therapy program that didn't test positive for other substances.

Opiate addiction is a choice. Less than 1% of all addicts are addicted because of routine pain medications...but to ask any of them they'll tell you the story about the surgery, broken limb, etc...that lead to their addiction.

I don't agree with breastfeeding an NAS baby. A baby that is going through withdrawal is more concerned about the pain/nausea/vomiting/severe diarrhea/bleeding diaper rash stopping than the bonding. These babies are forced to go through WHAT THEIR MOTHERS WON'T. When the replacement therapy is done with these babies, they don't need to be exposed to more drugs NO MATTER HOW LITTLE is in the breast milk. They don't need to be exposed on and on on any level.

I am so glad that they changed the policy here...if you test positive for an illegal substance or any opiate, you are not permitted to breastfeed while your baby is in the hospital, period. Mom can do whatever she wants after the baby goes home.

I recently had a baby born to me while I was taking subutex. I didn't plan on getting pregnant. I was about to detox of my replacement therapy of suboxone. Alas, that was not to be. My baby needed no withdrawal medicine at all, we breastfed, and would have been out of the hospital by the mandatory 5 day stay, but stayed an extra day for jaundice treatment under the bilirubin light. I stayed with my son constantly. I knew that many people on replacement therapy don't try very hard, and I wanted to be a good example for hospital staff to remember about how some parents do care, and not every recovering addict is a monster. The roommate I had after moving to the observation floor didn't have a parent, period. I heard from staff that dhhs took away parental rights because of illegal drugs in the mother's system that weren't monitored or prescribed. That baby had been there for over a month. And was still being detoxed. My baby never scored higher than a seven, and by the fourth day was scoring zeros. The staff said it was because I did breastfeed. I still am, and love my bonding time with my baby while still on leave from my job. It can be done right.

The fact that the mother quit replacement therapy while pregnant is to me, more dangerous for the unborn child than the mother, and completely irresponsible. That child could have died before it had a chance to live. Every doctor I have spoken with, and all the research I have done would recommend stabilizing replacement therapy as opposed to quitting cold turkey. That was a long shot, my friend, amd could've had detrimental effects.

Now, being a mother on methadone the response of some of these nurses is disturbing. As a heads up, not all methadone babies even required detox, my daughter didn't... Now, my child wouldn't go to the breast, I tried endlessly and I'm still currently trying 14 weeks postpartum... But I am exclusively pumping breast milk for my daughter and I fully intend to till I can no longer. The nurses where I had my daughter, well, they were nothing like the nurses I've seen on here... They were very understanding to me and my husband... My daughter was also in a well baby nursery and hardly left my side... Now when I was discharged, it was going to be a blizzard, they told me to go home, where I continued pumping, I called every hour on the hour, and they seemed bothered by that, sorry but I actually want to know how she's doing, well they ran out of breast milk, my daughter became restless, refusing to eat formula, she was then inconsolable in there eyes... I call the next hour being told, she scored an 8 on her chart and if she scored two more she would be given morphine... Now me and my husband, both on the clinic, we get weekly take homes, jumped in the car and flew to her bed side breast milk in hand... Our little girl heard our voices and stopped crying immediately... My husband made her bottle and she devoured it! 1 hour later, devoured a second bottle, and Her next score was a 4... Then a 3... My baby missed her mommy and daddy and also wanted mommy's milk... I had one nurse that was very impatient and said "she's gonna need a ******* feeding tube if u can't make her eat!" Now, my recovery is very important to me and my husband, but being healthy and mentally able to take care of my child is what's important to me, so if I must be on this medication till when I feel sturdy enough to stand on my own, so be it... Now, my daughter came home, no methadone needed and no morphine... Nothing but mommy's milk in her system! I understand not a lot of moms and dads would rush to there detoxing child in a snow storm even if the baby isn't detoxing most parents wouldn't... When I heard morphine was gonna be given to her though, I ran... My baby is my world and nothing will ever harm her if I'm alive! To think judgement would be casted on me just for being on methadone is disgusting... I only left her for maybe 8 hours but ran back, then I stayed with her till she would be discharged making sure nothing changed... I kangarooed her till her discharge papers were signed... Cps came to our home, they took photos to show there supervisor how prepared we were for our daughter and the mountain of diapers we had in her beautiful nursery and they immediately closed the case... Her visiting nurse came from the hospital, saw us twice and closed her case, we currently have a preventive worker who comes once a week, drops off a few things to read and leaves cause she said we are an open and closed case, she's keeping it open for the minimum amount of time, which was suppose to be 6 months but she's making it 4... Now, my daughter came home a week after I had her, I was on 140mgs of methadone... I know my case is rare, the doctors and nurses said so themselves... But I took care of myself very well prenatal and my baby was planned and loved! My husband and me have been together 9 years, and just because we are on methadone shouldn't mean we can't start a family... I couldn't see my life without my baby! The first time her pediatrician saw her, he told me if I didn't tell him she was born on methadone he wouldn't have even known... Also as I asked if this would have an effect on her he told me "mom, dad, let it go,it's over, she got past it, don't think about it..." Now, my point to letting this out, and joining this site simply to say this (II'll probably never use this again) is to say, not all methadone parents are heartless low life's... I used heroin 3 months with my husband, we got scared of the withdrawal and someone said to get on a clinic... Now I'm scared to get off... Heroin wasn't my thing, I moved in with a girl who wanted us hooked to support her habit... People can be awful... Now my situation may not be average but I'm sure there r moms out there that are the same... Now I'm gonna get back to pumping milk for my baby, climb into bed with my husband who's a manager and works 60 hours a weeks and is on methadone and my little 14 week old baby who co sleeps with us, and is currently beige kangarooed by daddy and we baby wear when we go out... Our daughter is very loved and well taken care of... I'm a stay at home mom who exclusively pumps... And I'm disgusted by some of the "nurses" on here... U guys would discourage any methadone mom who even came in with the best of intentions... Gross...

Specializes in NICU, Infection Control.

Good for you, but before you scold, walk a few miles in our shoes.

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, PACU.

This is also a very old thread, things have changed since its start.

You may be the exception. In the past few years there has been better education, improved scoring. And putting a baby on morphine is not always a bad thing. But I seriously doubt a nurse said "******* feeding tube to you. And please don't co-sleep. And this is a nursing forum, so unless you are a nurse, have cared for many many many drug addicted kids who aren't lucky enough to have good parents, then don't judge us.

Specializes in Nurse Scientist-Research.

To GigdetHersh (if she ever appears again) and in defense of NICU nurses everywhere who witness some of the worst atrocities imaginable. . .

Took me a little, but I went through this 5 year old thread to gather all the "gross" comments that "disgusted her. There a couple that are a tad harsh. Most only relate their experiences in pretty neutral terms considering what they have experienced.

I would add that I don't agree with some of the stronger opinions here but felt that GidgetHersh's accusation was overwhelmingly unfounded from the previous postings.

I would say that in my limited (18 months) of nursing in a NICU, either the NAS infants haven't had a parent at the bedside ever or the parent was too abusive towards staff and had to be escorted by security.

I honestly admit that I have harbored feelings of resentment toward mothers of NAS babies. Who wouldn't feel resentment when a mother gives birth to a horribly miserable infant in the throes of NAS due to illicit drug use? or got pregnant while on methadone? It's not my job to feel bad for mom. My job is to take care of baby.

It's usually mom's 5th or 6th child, all in foster care, and all exposed to drugs. It is heartwrenching. They are so miserable. Sweating, crying, shaking....all you want to do is make them feel better.

Your situation is unique... the majority of moms with NAS babies, in my opinion, have in becoming pregnant while ingesting a neurotoxic, illegal (in most cases) substance... lost the right to direct the care of their baby. Call me "anti-family centered care" or whatever, but that's what I believe.

I understand your pregnancy was unplanned, but when we see moms coming back for their 3rd NAS infant. . . And I've personally held 2 of her babies. . . And mom has never weaned her personal dose (in 4yrs). Maybe being compassionate for the mom is more than my brain can wrap itself around.

The mothers who are as committed to breastfeeding as you are in the minority, MMT or not. You are a dream parent in my book, but there's a reason why that's a dream. It's not my everyday reality.

The OP is a one-in-a-million Mom.

I have never seen an NAS kid with a mother who breast fed it...we can't even get them to bring clothes for the baby half the time or to be available to hold the infant for the endless hours of screaming.

Most of them blame the formula for their baby's vomiting and diarrhea....despite every nurse on every shift reminding them that it's a part of NAS.

Most of these mothers feel that we neglect the baby's because we cannot hold them constantly when they are screaming...they don't seem to understand that staffing does not permit us to do this, as we have other babies to care for, however, we tell them they are welcome to come hold them or authorize family members to come.

Sometimes the level of expectations of these mothers is not reasonable....I am blessed with the fact that they know that the withdrawal symptoms are part of the process...however, you have this handful of mothers that "demand" that we 'stop their kid" from crying and trembling and accuse us, as nurses, of neglecting their baby or not caring about it.

I am a nurse that gave these mothers every benefit of a doubt, but I have learned, the subutex, methadone and suboxone mothers came in two varieties:

1. The regretful

2. The entitled...we all know who these mothers are. They don't want to get better. I am going to discuss the former.

While I don't feel that the majority of mothers who are on replacement therapy get pregnant on purpose, I do feel that they don't full realize that all they have done is substitute one Schedule II drug for another. The taxpayers, IN MOST cases, pay for this twice. They pay not only for the therapy but most of these people don't work. Therefore, we are paying for that too. Very rarely did I ever see these babies admitted to the NICU that had regular insurance, it was always a state policy.

Therefore, it's important to know that if you are in a replacement therapy program that an addict HAS NOT RECOVERED. As long as you are in the program, the addiction continues. However, the mentality is that they 'cured' and they are NOT!!!!!

I have never, in my life, ran into someone that said, "Oh, I USED TO BE in a program, but now I am completely drug free."

Never....ever.

They are in the programs for one, two, three years, even longer. Instead of going down in dosages, they go up. I believe very strongly that addicts that need help should get help. However, I believe one year should be the limit for these programs. That is plenty of time. I believe that the so-called drug testing in these programs is lax...mainly because I can count on one hand with fingers left over of how many times I saw a mother that was in a replacement therapy program that didn't test positive for other substances.

Opiate addiction is a choice. Less than 1% of all addicts are addicted because of routine pain medications...but to ask any of them they'll tell you the story about the surgery, broken limb, etc...that lead to their addiction.

I don't agree with breastfeeding an NAS baby. A baby that is going through withdrawal is more concerned about the pain/nausea/vomiting/severe diarrhea/bleeding diaper rash stopping than the bonding. These babies are forced to go through WHAT THEIR MOTHERS WON'T. When the replacement therapy is done with these babies, they don't need to be exposed to more drugs NO MATTER HOW LITTLE is in the breast milk. They don't need to be exposed on and on on any level.

I am so glad that they changed the policy here...if you test positive for an illegal substance or any opiate, you are not permitted to breastfeed while your baby is in the hospital, period. Mom can do whatever she wants after the baby goes home.

Specializes in Nurse Scientist-Research.

Since this is a thread started in 2010, I would like to update the changes I am seeing in our unit in treating infants with NAS. For one thing, we are seeing far fewer of these infants and I'm told this is from an effort that is starting in the general nursery. They are stepping up efforts to carefully monitor these infants for 4-5 days even if mom goes home. The mother/baby nurses are extensively educating the mothers of infants at risk on comfort measures. Breastfeeding is strongly encouraged in cases of legally obtained medications such as methadone & subutex. Non-pharmacological measures are the preferred treatment. Only those infants started on methadone are admitted to the NICU. These infants are kept in 2 baby assignments. If possible they are paired only with the infants that require non-extended cares (stable cpaps on all OG feeds).

We have several nurses who have volunteered to take thse infants as much as possible. They are strong breastfeeding advocates. The length of these infants stay seems directly negatively correlated to the number of hours the mothers spend at the bedside. More hours mom present = shorter NICU stay. We have just opened up some private rooms and anticipate using them for these infants IF their mothers are willing to stay with them extensively. If they are not willing, we will care for the infants in the regular NICU where there are more hands on deck to hold the infants as they withdraw.

And that breastmilk absolutely helps. We do have our hands tied in some situations. If mom has tested positive for non-prescribed medications, we cannot allow breastmilk. And that's not the nurses being "gross" or disgusting. That's us following the orders and rules in our unit that keep us employed and caring for these poor suffering kids.

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I live in one of the highest drug concentration areas in the country and the NICU here keeps between 8 and 10 NAS babies on any given day. We have heard it all, seen it all.

Birth control fails, that is a given, at least you were on it and tried.

However, the only problem I have with these treatment programs is that they are teaching patients (both men and women) that they are "clean". They are not. That is not a stigma, that is a cold hard fact. I do not believe that life-long support is necessary and understand that the majority of research that claims that it is ok, comes from the very physicians that stands to profit from these arrangements.

Breastfeeding...yes, it's recommended, but if I was that mother I wouldn't and I'll tell you why. In the hospital the baby is detoxed and the dose is specific. WE KNOW how much the baby is getting. We don't know, how much is in that breast milk. I strongly feel that there is more drug in breastmilk than what research is claiming. They allow mothers to breastfeed here that are positive for other drugs, even illegal ones. All we are doing is discharging an infant that is not drug free if it is breastfeeding and the longer it is breastfed, the longer the drug exposure. That cannot be healthy.

A friend of mine that is a 4th grade school teacher said that drug-exposed infants are the #1 concern in schools over any other social issue. Sometimes the problem doesn't manifest itself until years later.

Once a woman is pregnant, you have to manage that. It would be cruel to do otherwise. However, once an infant is born there are tons of choices. This is the one time where I do not agree that "breast is best".

Specializes in L/D 4 yrs & Level 3 NICU 22 yrs.

We encourage consistent breastfeeding if the mother can produce a UDS that is negative for street drugs. Most of these mothers are not able to maintain a supply because they do not visit and therefore breastfeed often enough, so in a few days it becomes a moot point.

They don't drug test them here after they are discharged. The mothers here know they are under the eye of child protective services and the sooner they get the baby home the better. So some breastfeed to keep the scores lower so they can get the baby home. But the kid isn't drug free.

Specializes in NICU.

I work in a level III NICU and have seen quite a few NAS babies. They all break my heart. I don't judge the moms, my main concern is caring for their baby. I have come across some great parents, but the majority are either misinformed or in denial. I have a very hard time with parents who want to refuse morphine for their baby who is obviously in withdrawal. That I will never understand. One of our MDs asked a mom recently if she had ever gone through withdrawal and the mom said yes, it was awful. Well, that is what you are putting your child through. I will support your choice to breastfeed or formula feed, to sit at the bedside all day or go home and take care of your other children. I have not walked in your shoes and therefore cannot judge you for the choices you have had to make. Unless the choice you are trying to make is to withhold pain medication for your baby. That is something I will never understand.

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