New RN - Wants to know when to wake up the doc

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I am a new RN with limited experience. Out of desperation in this job market, I had to take a job in a LTC facility / rehab where I am all alone at night with 30 residents to care for, 3/4 of these are skilled! I am having so much trouble deciding when to call the on-call doctor at night when the situation is questionable, not an emergency situation. I will give an example...

PT is a few days to a week post-op. She has returned to the facility s/p open cholecystectomy. Her current problems include widespread edema (she has history of +1 edema to lower extremities, now she has +2 edema to BLLEs, +1 to arms, hands, and face.) VS are all stable except her O2 sats, which have been 88% RA, 92% 2L NC throughout the evening shift. Lungs are CTA, resident alert and oriented, little fatigued. C/O slight SOB when on RA. Resident states she really does not want to return to the hospital.

On my shift, while resident is asleep, her O2 sats are 84% on RA, 88-91% 2L O2. No other abnormals except for the edema and some slight upper respiratory congestion, presents with weak, moist, occasionally productive cough. Lungs remain CTA. Resident is not taking any additional pain medication.

Evening shift was unconcerned about her present condition, I was unsure if there was any correspondence with the MD, except that the records from the hospital were faxed over upon her readmit.

On-call doctor has history of not ordering anything at night, unless there is an emergency he will give order to send resident out to hospital.

What I did: Monitored the resident frequently throughout the night, assessing her orientation status and lungs several times, turned O2 up to 4L to keep her sats at 90-91%.

This is one of the many questionable situations that I face working NOC shift. I hate this because during the day you can contact the doctor for this and that, and you can get a hold of the doctor that is familiar with the resident.

What else could I have done? I didn't want to send the resident out to the hospital, and she kept reassuring me that she was fine and didn't see why I would consider sending her out. I guess I could have gotten an order for a nebulizer treatment or something?

Just want to know what any experienced nurses would typically do in this situation///:nurse:

BTW, the day shift nurse stated that there was no reason to wake the doctor for this situation, that the PCP had followed the client at the hospital and was aware of her current status, but how was I to know that?

Specializes in Emergency, Internal Medicine, Sports Med.

No matter if they're in Emergency or a resident in LTC.... it's all about A, B, C's. Airway was good- you recognized a red flag (in your mind) for breathing (low sats) so you intervened. Also good. At this point I probably would of repositioned her, enc. DB & C (moist cough, might be able to clear out some of that on her own). Biggest thing here is to watch for changes in LOC +/- signs of hypoxemia. I think lesson learned here is to know where your patients/residents o2 sats are "normal" for them.

As far as the edema etc goes- I think calling the Dr would be dependent on a few things. 1) Is this all of a sudden, new on your shift? over how long has this been going on for? Is there problems with CWMS to any limb?

When in doubt, don't be afraid to call the doc, IMO (or someone else senior to you). The worst thing that can happen is you get yelled at. And so what, you get yelled at. If ever *something* happened, you have a nice pile of documentation (you DO, right?) that says everything you saw, did, and that you notified the right people, and they told you "xxxxx". Imagine if ever in one situation you didn't call the doc and something happened. Which one's easier to live with yourself? As long as it's not a nightly paranoia call-fest, and you use a sound rationale for your calling (this means you need to know ALL about the patient).... I say go for it, and don't be afraid.

Specializes in LTC.

Do you have a supervisor on call at night? If you do ask if you can call with any questions. My rule of thumb is if there is anything that I am on the fence about calling the MD on, I call. That way the worst that can happen is that I will be told not to, or get yelled at by the MD. I can live with either of those.

Ah. Another set of problems entirely. Can you sit her up? I would worry about pneumonia in an elderly fresh post op pt. Try to encourage her to do IS. This is soooo important.

BTW, I think you did everything right. You will get the gist of when to alert the MD and when you can try every intervention first. The important thing is to have all of the recent information in a concise and organized manner prior to calling the doc. Don't hesitate to rely on your seasoned co-workers for their opinions.

Another thing I would do if I were in your position would be to have a journal (without pt names) of the incidences you have encountered that you were doubtful about. Take this list to your NM and talk it out. He/she will give you some guidance. After you get a few more months under your belt, you will feel more confident in your assessment skills.

It takes time, but you will get it!

Thank you so much for this advice, I am excited to start a journal my next day worked.

Specializes in school nursing, home health,rehab, long-.

Hey suzem,

How did everything turn out?

T.H.R.N.

Specializes in Med Surge, Tele, Oncology, Wound Care.

It is too bad that we have to feel this way when calling an MD.

I called one the other day for a comfort care patient who had a fever. He said "is the tylenol for you or for the patient." I said "I have never personally found a fever comfortable, so I am asking on behalf of the patient, as he is unable to communicate with me at this time." Hehehe. He is such a jerk. ;)

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