Need advice...life threatened by pt's family today

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Hi all,

I'm a charge RN at a chronic hemodialysis unit for a major dialysis group. We have a pt who's 16 with not only a slew of health problems but also some major psycho-social issues that extend to her mother and grandfather (who was found to actually be her father through dna testing at their prior clinic). To paint a clear picture of this family would take a while, so I'll cut to the chase. The grandfather today stated to 2 of our patients in the lobby that I would not be at that clinic past September and that he was going to bring in a gun and shoot me. This was after appx 1 hour of time spent by myself and my administrator talking with the mother and grandfather...talkng is actually too nice a word...this was more a pointless rambling by both about everything from our request that the mother remain in the waiting room during the pt's put on and take off to their mistrust of the black nurses in the facility. Both the grandfather and mother are those types of people we as nurses dread dealing with b/c they are completely irrational and skip from topic to topic...they are definitely not operating with a full deck, not to mention the whole incest issue. They've been disruptive to other patients and have bad mouthed the care received at our clinic to the transportation drivers, other pts, anyone who will probably listen, which has no basis at all...all of our other pts love our clinic and look forward to spending time with our staff. We've gone out of our way to accomodate the special needs of the pt and the family since their family dynamic is such a complicated one, all with the best interest of the 16 yo pt in mind.

Anyway, after I was told of this threat by the pts who he told, I immediately told my FA, the MD medical director, and the FA who's over ours and 4 other clinics. She contacted risk mgmt...we were told this afternoon that the police dept was contacted and a complaint filed, the mother and grandfather were contacted separately & told that the g'father was banned from our clinic/parking lot/grounds, etc and that 911 would be called immediately if he came onto our property, an armed security guard will be in our clinic on Friday and all next week. Of course the g'father denied the threats. However, he is so off his rocker, he is just the type of loose cannon that you'd see on the news. These people are just plain crazy.

My question is, how do I deal with this?!? The g'father stated to our senior FA that he thought I was a 'jellyfish' b/c I was letting a newly hired FA 'run all over me' (who is black)...she's not running all over me, she's the boss! This is the same reason he gave to the other 2 pts for killing me. I am scared and hurt b/c I just do not understand his screwed up rationale...I know you can't try to understand the thought process of a crazy person, but I just don't get it. I have never done anything to this family and have bent over backwards to accomodate them and their screwed up situation, have listened when I was ready to pull my hair out, and still been nothing but kind. So I'm hurt as well, I suppose.

Also, what are my rights as a nurse? Do I have the right to refuse to interact with them or does that go out the window when you're the charge nurse? Should I take advantage of the ECP counseling thing or whatever it's called lest this come back to rear it's head with me 5 years down the road?

Any input is appreciated here...sorry for the length...:sniff:

Wait wait wait .. you can't carry a handgun or ANY weapon in a HOSPITAL or medical facility, can you? ... clee1 said he/she carries a weapon with him every and his Amex Card. Just an honest question, that's all. Can you REALLY bring a weapon into a place like a hospital if you have a liscense to carry???

*Mike. (aka. "Mew")

Like I said above, everywhere I've worked employees are forbidden to bring weapons in and are required to sign an agreement.

So if someone violates that agreement they can be fired.

Specializes in Med Surg.

First of all you became a nurse to help people. You figured it out on your own when you said "I know you can't try to understand the thought process of a crazy person, but I just don't get it. I have never done anything to this family and have bent over backwards to accommodate them and their screwed up situation, have listened when I was ready to pull my hair out, and still been nothing but kind."

Don't even try to understand where this man is coming from. From your description of the racism and incest, I don't even think I would want to try to get into his head.

As far as getting a gun, I carried one to a previous non-medical job because my life was threatened all the time. It is a personal choice only you can make.

Your Patient is the 16yo girl not the family. Try and help her and forget about the family.

And comment on the gun thing...if you shoot someone, and you can't proove 100 percent it was absolutely necessary for self defense you could go to jail. Is it worth that.

Would you rather be dead? I agree w/ the posters' who've pointed out that the police can't be with you all the time. Restraining orders are only as good as the closest phone and how protected you are while waiting.

I would pass the buck as they say, stay as far away from him as poss out of sight out of mind, you may be in charge but you have superiors whom you should be able too depend on for support. you will never fiure out this family so dont even try, and if councling is available take it. good luck take care.

Specializes in ICU, ER, HH, NICU, now FNP.

Is there a possibility that you could transfer to one of the other clinics owned by this company? At least temporarily.

I agree with the restraining order, and the CPS report - even based on the threats without any evidence of incest. Also - I would be insistant with Law enforcement that they seek a 72 hour lockup and psych eval for this guy.

I would also contact an attorney myself. Sure your employer may have a duty to protect you from harm, but it doesn't mean they WILL.

Specializes in Hospice, Med/Surg, ICU, ER.
I know that my bosses and the company are serious about this threat which is comforting, however, a crazy person is just that. I'm not the type to pack heat, never have been & never will be, but I will change up my routine. This man isn't a 20 year old fit one...he walks w/a limp & is weak to one side...and he's about as dumb as a box of rocks (I know clee...you'd say those are the words you'll put on my head stone...haha!). But I guess it makes me feel a little better that he's that way.

I wouldn't say that.... ;).

Cool that you and your employers are taking the threat seriously. Also cool that you'll be aware of the issue and take steps to not be a predictable target. I'd say that all things considered, that you'll be OK.... just, as they say at the psych facilities: always be aware of your surroundings and don't drop your guard. Is your State BON one where they post your home address on the internet????? :nono: If so, get a PO box and change your address ASAP.

If you aren't the "type" to "pack heat" effectively, then you are far better off without one.

I'll pray for your safety, friend. Please be very careful!

Specializes in Hospice, Med/Surg, ICU, ER.
Wait wait wait .. you can't carry a handgun or ANY weapon in a HOSPITAL or medical facility, can you? ... clee1 said he/she carries a weapon with him every and his Amex Card. Just an honest question, that's all. Can you REALLY bring a weapon into a place like a hospital if you have a liscense to carry???

*Mike. (aka. "Mew")

I do NOT carry in any school or health care facility. However, you can be assured that there is one in my car if it is not on my person. However, legally speaking, a license to carry concealed is valid everywhere except for schools and governmental buildings (and in some jurisdictions where ETOH is served). Your employer could fire you for carrying to work, but it wouldn't necessarily be illegal to do so. Also, any business owner can ask you to leave the property of you are carrying, but that's why they call it a "concealed weapon". Nobody will ever know I have it but me; unless I am forced to defend myself or another.

If I felt at risk from the car to the door (or the reverse) at a hospital, I'd call security to walk me there.

Do you have an isolation room where they could be, away from the other patients? Maybe give them some rules, in and out 3 times only, maybe. I feel for you.

Specializes in ICU, Education.

I belileve they gave up their rights when one of them threatened to kill you. NO??? Don't want to hear anything about dialyisis patients have rights. It is no one elses's job to "Find a clinic who will accept them". As far as I'm concerned, it is THEIR problem that they made, and only THEIR problem to find a clinic to accept them. Maybe part of the problem in todays society is the lack of consequences for unacceptable behaviour. I think your clinic is justified in telling them "You are not welcome here, and YOU will have to find care somewhere else". PERIOD. Also keeping the restraiing order but i think it is wise to have your private reatraiing order as well as someone else mentioned. Any action short of that and I would quit. Your safety is not worth a job, especially with this nursing shortage in which you could probably work anywhere you choose.

Specializes in Med Surg, ICU, Infection, Home Health, and LTC.

i do not believe that a person loose's his/her citizen's rights just because they are in the nursing profession and have clocked in.

i get so tired of hearing about the "patients bill of right's"....and there are other groups out there with their own individual bill of rights... but what about me as a person who happens to be a nurse and my human and citizen's rights?

why are we suppossed to just "take it", let patients, visitors, doctors, all talk down to us, abuse us, or throw things at us. let alone being yelled at and put down in front of patients. i have been in a simular situation where a family member, a few french fries short of a happy meal , actually did attack me, twisted my arm behind my back and dragged me off into a room while verbally threatening to kill me.

i was terrified and crying so hard after i finally got away and called for help (((and this started in the hallway with that man dragging me down into the patients room.))))

i had to go home that day and i stay terrified for months, specially after he was seen several times in the back of the parking lot when i got off at night.

i didn't know i could press changes and was younger and a new nurse and vulnerable. the hospital didn't ever once talk to the law about it and only had our facilities security escort me to my car at night if i couldn't leave with a few other nurses at the same time. it was horrid.:eek:

Specializes in open heart, transplant ICU,ER,PACU,Tele.

people are wacked, if this happened in a place of business they would be banned for life. Why do we just take this crap? They should be forced and inforced by the police to go to another clinic like the one at the prison. Terrorisit threats is a crime.the girl has no chance with those 2 as parents.:angryfire

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