MSN/CNL for non-nurses

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Any new information on the MSN/CNL degree for non-nurses...anyone considering it? Have the job opportunities opened up...how long did it take you to get in this role? Do you think it is better to get the BSN?

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Specializes in Critical Care, Education.

They have to compete with all other new grads for entry level jobs. They're not getting hired in my neck of the woods. Graduate education is associated with higher levels of clinical expertise & this is absolutely not the case for these folks, so they just aren't qualified for any of those MSN required jobs. When it comes to new grads, my organization's hiring managers prefer (in order of preference): 1) generic BSN, 2) ADN, 3) ABSN, 4) entry-level MSN.

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They have to compete with all other new grads for entry level jobs. They're not getting hired in my neck of the woods. Graduate education is associated with higher levels of clinical expertise & this is absolutely not the case for these folks, so they just aren't qualified for any of those MSN required jobs. When it comes to new grads, my organization's hiring managers prefer (in order of preference): 1) generic BSN, 2) ADN, 3) ABSN, 4) entry-level MSN.

So your saying that the generic BSN and ADN is preferred over the ABSN why would that be the case? Especially for an ADN, isn't the BSN a whether accelerated or not... a higher degree?

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Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.
So your saying that the generic BSN and ADN is preferred over the ABSN why would that be the case? Especially for an ADN, isn't the BSN a whether accelerated or not... a higher degree?
In some hospital systems, ABSN graduates and DEMSN (direct entry master of science in nursing) degree holders have a certain reputation, and it isn't all that positive.

I've heard some unit educators, nurse managers, recruiters and other folks in the profession claim that ABSNs and DEMSNs have trouble grasping the concept of the 'worker bee.' I've heard nursing instructors stereotype ABSNs and DEMSNs as people whose first careers failed to launch.

Again, there are many wonderful ABSNs and DEMSNs. Unfortunately, some hospital systems give hiring preference to generic BSN degree holders due to preconceived notions combined with previous negative experiences.

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I am occasionally assigned students to shadow me for a day from the traditional BSN program and from the accelerated program of the university medical center's nursing program. The only bad experiences I've had (students who have given a bad impression, that is; nothing bad actually happened) so far have been with the accelerated BSN students. The other nurses on my service have had the same experience. We're not the only ones ...

I've not seen CNLs being used, or positions advertised for CNLs, in my former home area, or in the area I've been living the last few years, other than the VA hospitals, which, I believe, have embraced the CNL role pretty enthusiastically. There are concerns (regarding the direct-entry CNL programs, not experienced nurses who pursue CNL certification) about how someone with no significant nursing experience, who just became a nurse, can be a clinical nurse leader, which is why the direct-entry CNL grads are typically getting hired into the same basic bedside nursing positions as any other new grad, and hoping to move up more rapidly through the ranks (than the folks with other types of nursing education) after they get some actual experience.

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In some hospital systems, ABSN graduates and DEMSN (direct entry master of science in nursing) degree holders have a certain reputation, and it isn't all that positive.

I've heard some unit educators, nurse managers, recruiters and other folks in the profession claim that ABSNs and DEMSNs have trouble grasping the concept of the 'worker bee.' I've heard nursing instructors stereotype ABSNs and DEMSNs as people whose first careers failed to launch.

Again, there are many wonderful ABSNs and DEMSNs. Unfortunately, some hospital systems give hiring preference to generic BSN degree holders due to preconceived notions combined with previous negative experiences.

sounds like some misguided people in the workforce...so nothing substantial basically that sets these people apart...other than everyday gossip and hearsays....nice...real professional ..

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this makes sense that the person would have to get some real experience, who is more qualified...a person with a BSN or MSN...who will be likely to get the job....what people are failing to see is the number of years other work experience these people have....I understand the nurse leader part...but it works it self out....I think...

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who is more qualified...a person with a BSN or MSN...who will be likely to get the job....what people are failing to see is the number of years other work experience these people have....I understand the nurse leader part...but it works it self out....I think...

Well, that's the issue, isn't it -- who is more qualified? A lot of people (with hiring responsibility) feel that the traditional BSN new grad is better prepared to enter practice than the direct-entry MSN new grad. Years of other work experience doesn't necessarily change the equation much, as it doesn't necessarily have much impact on one's ability to practice as a new graduate nurse.

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