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    sugarmagnolia3 likes this.

    "I know how you feel" may sound too cliche, but I just want you to know I have been there- at least 3 times! And I am HIV free. The probability of getting HIV from a real poke- like the ones I had- is quite low. The first time, 2 decades ago in Africa, there was no treatment yet, no fancy safety-guarded needles, no protocols, but lots of HIV. My workmates pretty much comforted me with what sounded to me like "advance condolences." It was a real poke, I squeezed it out to bleed it more and scrubbed my finger with anything within my reach. I was scared to check my HIV status for years, and had tons of nightmares about testing and waiting for the results for ever! When I finally did, I was negative, but still repeated it somewhere else to make sure. Waiting was tough, each time. The next one was from a patient with advanced HIV/AIDS,on medication-she violently moved while I gave an IM and I got a real poke that bled. But this time there was a protocol, and each time the test came, it was a horrible feeling. But I was OK. The 3rd time the patient was HIV negative, but the process was still scary! Take a deep breath, and get yourself through the process…there are more chances you will be fine than not! Hope you feel better!

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    Quote from em_j11
    Hello! I'm going to be graduating from a BSN program in December 2015. I'm really interested in moving to Ireland after I graduate, but I'm nervous about finding a job over there and I have no idea who to talk to about it. I've been to Ireland before and absolutely fell in love with it. I'm just scared I'll get there and won't be able to find a job (especially being a new grad with no experience as an RN). Any advice/words of wisdom/comments would be much appreciated!
    I am glad Suzy12 and silverdragon102 have great answers for you! I have never worked in the UK, but have friends with training like mine that have. There's nothing to fear concerning your US training- most nurse training is basically similar in content around the world. That citizens are considered before foreigners should not scare you, either. Every country has that clause, including the USA. I am an RN licensed in 2 African countries as well as the USA and Canada. I was initially African trained as a diploma RN, and my education and experience was sufficient. An RN can work anywhere they want in the world. However, I would get some experience before I venture out. Usually, the process of moving to another country is lengthy- take time learning more about nursing in the country, go to their website, call them, and google as much info as you can, to make sure you know what you are getting into. There is a whole lot of differences in practice and health care cultures around the world. You will be better served to expect that! Best wishes!

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    joyouter, latern, passionflower, and 2 others like this.

    I have read a number of responses to this thread, and I am disappointed at the seeming silent acceptance of this alleged "online learner" discrimination! Most suggest to avoid online schools in order to be recognized, and I think its a lot of BS.

    There are great online programs and lousy B&M programs, and its wrong to categorize all of them the same way. Having a teacher in front of you in order to learn does not make you a better scholar or nurse- infact, for some, its not the preferred method. Since I was in high school, I wished for more independent learning, I do best that way and prefer it!

    Secondly, some online nursing schools accept only experienced nurses. That was the case with me, too, was already a non-BSN RN and did not need another RN license, so I did a great online program to complete my BSN and I am proud of it!

    Also, I find it too simplistic to think that teaching at the university can be all about whether your degree was online or in a B&M school, as many other things are considered. There are people with Ivy league labels who have produced nothing to their name since their degree paper! An online degree holder with a great CV can be more competitive, IMO.

    For those looking to pursue university teaching, learn to "grow" your CV by show-casing your research interests, join scholarly communities, attend and participate in conferences, write professional articles, create your own networks with people of like interests, be involved in change initiatives in your workplace etc on top of your online or B&M degree. That is the stuff employers are really more interested in- someone who shows initiative and greater potential for contributing to the profession's advancement, not whether you learnt stuff from a brick classroom or from a computer screen! Its what you are capable of doing with the material you learned! If there are university employment laws that actually discriminate based only on those silly grounds, they need to be called out of their ignorance, not protected and defended, its ridiculous!

    This career is lagging behind others in its scholarly prowess and cannot afford to limit potential scholars because they are online grads.

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    And I do not get this can go to Africa and live in who knows what kind of conditions and then complain about a tent

    [COLOR=#333333]This is telling- no matter what is said about Ebola it is likely to skip your brains because of your ignorant media brainwashing about Africa! If you are a nurse, you should be able to have the basic understanding of Ebola by now... Why would you want the nurse to be imprisoned in a tent when she is clearly not infective? Why don't you quarantine the whole country in flu season, which is clearly more dangerous to you than Ebola is? And BTW while you were busy focussed on the wrong ball, the Enterovirus D68 was ravaging children in your own backyard. The only thing that makes Ebola so fearful to your fear-mongering kind is that Ebola happens to be coming out of Africa, no doubt about that! I would be more concerned about seasonal influenza that will certainly kill more Americans than Ebola which has killed non of them so far!

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    Thank you Servewithlove! I am from southern Africa, and have had an earful since the Ebola "fear- fever" broke out- from fellow nurses at work and online! Seriously, I never realized such hate for a people in distress even existed in my career! I am more scared of nurses than I am of Ebola right now, if you ask me…Whatever happened to the Angels of mercy that nurses were once known to be? I am truly disappointed at the mass hysteria, stubborn mis-information and intolerance especially from nurses…Can't believe the attacks on those brave nurses who have literally taken a bullet for their patients and calling!

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    JSC711, blondy2061h, sharpeimom, and 3 others like this.

    @ SionainnRN, I think you are taking this too personal…yes, the OPs perception of your comment may have sparked this thread, but its enough that you explained what you meant! She didn't have to ask you privately about it- anytime you make a comment on a public forum, be prepared for the fact that it will mean different things to different people. This thread has brought about a new topic now- Depression and Assisted Suicide, let it flow without you feeling such need to defend yourself! Whether or not it was intentional on your end, or whether you were misunderstood or not, is no longer the issue…

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    Quote from CNAinSD619
    @Tc3200 I agree with you that he is to blame for bringing Ebola here. Whether he could jump on a plane or it took him months to receive the pass to board a plane and come here, he shouldn't of. Plain and simple. Yes the hospitals are unprepared also. But really I question whether or not he knew he was at risk. Will we ever know? Probably not. All we can do is figure out how to keep it from spreading. I am a pre nursing student but this will not deter me from my dream career!
    FYI an American citizen is to blame for taking Ebola to Nigeria! Thats why the blame game is meaningless…I don't understand why you think "He shouldn't of" (I suppose you meant "He shouldn't have) given your later argument about whether he knew he was at risk??? If he didn't know he was infected, which is most likely, there's no reason to blame him for doing something thats within his rights- travelling to the USA with a valid visa and passing the current test for Ebola on travellers from west Africa! Or for reporting to a hospital when he fell ill in the USA and responding to all the questionnaires he was given without raising any red flags...
    However, I am glad you are determined to complete your nursing program- because you will come to learn that Global Epidemics are inevitable in a globalized world, and that healthcare has known for years and has been preparing for such epidemics! At the least, we have something to learn from our mistakes as a system, going forward. I must say I am impressed with your attitude toward figuring out how to deal with it henceforth. This should not deter anyone from pursuing nursing, it should be an opportunity to grow our career and be able to meet new and emerging healthcare challenges! Go for it!

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    Quote from elkpark
    Wow, you certainly have a lot of thoughts about this. Too bad that several of them are counterfactual.

    In the first place, Mr. Duncan couldn't have just hopped on a plane and come to the US. It takes months for US visas to be worked out. His trip to the US must have been planned long in advance, and coincidence that the Ebola outbreak had started at about the same time. He and his girlfriend had been involved for decades (they have a college-age son), and multiple people have reported that he was, in fact, coming here to plan their wedding.

    It has also been widely reported (now that the initial panic is starting to die down) that there is no evidence that he knew he had been exposed to Ebola before leaving Liberia. He helped a pregnant woman in his neighborhood to the hospital and back home again when she wasn't admitted, but multiple witnesses have reported that there was no knowledge at that time that she had Ebola; her acute problems were believed/assumed to be complications of her pregnancy, and no one was concerned about Ebola until after she was dead (and Mr. Duncan had already left the country). He was not sick at the time he got on the plane, and, in fact, passed the mandatory health screening in the Liberian airport prior to being allowed to board.

    Even if your suspicions were true, do you really believe that, if he knew he had been exposed to Ebola, he would voluntarily choose to expose his fiancee' and his own child?? If he were really attempting to simply escape Liberia, he could have done that without exposing his family members and loved ones. It's been reported since his death that, once he was diagnosed, he said that, if he had known, he never would have exposed them, he would have just stayed in Liberia and taken his chances (of course, you can choose not to believe that, either).

    As for him being a "jerk" and a "shady character," all the reporting I've read of accounts by people who actually knew him have said just the opposite; that he was a warm, kind, caring person who went out of his way to help others.

    I've gotten say, you sound pretty paranoid about this. I'm glad to hear you've decided against nursing as a career.

    What We Know About Thomas Eric Duncan, The First Ebola Patient Diagnosed In The U.S.
    THANK-YOU, elkpark! I was relieved at the end of that article to learn that the writer never got to say the Nurse's pledge! It would be too scary...

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    Quote from PrayeRNurse
    I think all nurses should be offered Ebola training. Today if you are headed to Africa to care for patients you receive training from the CDC. If you are a nurse in the states it seems more difficult to find. I am a nurse who provides care in the community with no training from a hospital. If Ebola spreads like the news just reported every nurse in America should have the training.

    Side note; my local news has labeled the American nurse a hero! I agree.

    2 decades ago I was a student nurse in the sub-Sahara when I suggested that nurses were just as much heroes in the war against infectious diseases as soldiers in a war zone- and I still remember how people thought I was out of my mind! There was rampant TB then, no protective clothing or adequate respiratory isolation rooms, HIV was at its heights- a death sentence before retrovirals would become available for Africans, and there were also Cholera outbreaks- with isolation camps & regalia much like those we are seeing in the fight against Ebola! Now Ebola has just illustrated how nursing and other frontline health care careers can be just as dangerous... I thank your local News for commending this heroic nurse infected in the line of her duty to save a life! And finally I am so happy to hear the voice of nursing in this fight! Thanks for your contribution- I agree all nurses need training, even those not affiliated to hospitals...

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    LadyFree28 and PrayeRNurse like this.

    Finally, Nursing speaks, and CDC apologizes=thats what I am talking about! We need some visibility, and support from our "Generals!"
    Nurse union defends Dallas Ebola patient | MSNBC

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    LadyFree28 and jmh77 like this.

    Interesting take, @ TC3200! Personally, I wouldn't like to blame individual nurses or hospitals, or even the patient himself, because it does not help! If Duncan- whatever his personal life is- should take any blame, so should the Americans trekking to the danger zone knowing they might contract the disease and infect others when they come back, and so should the American citizen who introduced Ebola to Nigeria, potentially putting at risk Africa's most populous country!- it doesn't make sense, because people have the right to travel to & fro as they please, and they will. Duncan was not illegally in the country either, and its unclear that he even knew the woman he had helped in Liberia was a case of Ebola- It has been reported she was initially diagnosed as a Malaria case! He (Duncan) had secured the visa to visit the USA long before his contact with Ebola!

    The point of interest here is that this case has brought to our attention just how unprepared the system was for this well media-hyped possibility! In a globalized world, diseases are going to cross borders, and we need to learn from this experience just how deadly things can turn out. If anything, the "migration" of Ebola has exposed just how unprepared the world is for deadly epidemics, and just how inadequate our healthcare systems are in the face of 21st century realties, even as we gasp at the broken systems in the epicentre!

    As a Global Health & Medical Anthropology enthusiast and student (and Med-Surg nurse) I see an opportunity for nursing to play a bigger role in modern day global health than we are. The importance of our role has clearly been hilighted in both the USA and Spanish Ebola cases' management. What I find most astounding is the silence from the nursing profession- the scholars, the professional and academic pros have been eerie absent from the debates in which their own have been centre & front! As far as I see, whether it be in west Africa, Spain or USA, nursing is the most "endangered species" within the global broken healthcare systems in this epidemic, and we should have a voice…. Well- leave it to CDC!

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    classicdame likes this.

    Quote from loveoutloud
    Oops that's was supposed to be a response to the comment listing "alert and orientated" as a pet peeve. One of mine is when people say "exact same". It's redundant to use "exact".
    yes, that too! LOL

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    RN1023, CoffeeGeekRN, joanna73, and 1 other like this.

    Quote from dedicated_2b_RN
    If you hate nursing then get out a sap and make room for someone who wants the job you may be a danger to your patients
    Hating nursing does not necessarily translate into "Bad Nurse!" There are many great nurses who still don't like nursing for various reasons. People who know my dedication to my job get shocked when I tell them I do not really like what I do, because you couldn't tell! I am living off it now, as I chart my way out, and I am human enough to treat it with respect! My patients are in much better hands with me than with some "Born Nurses!" It doesn't mean we hate our patients, we actually have a lot that we like about nursing, but we don't feel challenged the right way, or do dislike a lot more stuff than we like about the career or particular job! Many of us are trying to leave, shift into another specialty, job or new career altogether sensibly, not blindly Asap as you suggest. Many who ask for help here need to be assured there's a sensible way out, and that its not abnormal, criminal or evil to feel that way. There are just as many nurses entering from other careers they failed to warm up to- thats part of life!

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    toomuchbaloney likes this.

    Great, @Chiandre, thanks for sharing that algorithm!
    True, every infectious disease comes to some level of containment, eventually. However, how fast and efficiently it is tackled does affect the extent of "collateral damage," which often lasts much longer, even forever after.