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  • May 7 '14

    I went to Olivet for Nursing but not for FNP, I thought the teachers were really good. They really do care about you and will work with you despite their busy schedules. They also have a really good pass rate for the traditional BSN program. Hope this helps some

  • Apr 26 '14

    Quote from StaceyA1971
    Are there any cna's here going for an LPN or an RN degree ? If so , what do you think about it ? And what about online courses ? Can you really take online courses and them prove to be effective in the long run ? As I am all up for online courses , but if I take them I want to be able to actually get a job !!
    You can not go CNA to LPN online. You can go LPN to RN online which I am doing right now, via Excelsior. I am learning a lot. To successfully do school online, though, you must be very self-disciplined and able to read for comprehension without someone to explain things. If you have those two qualities it will definitely work for you.

  • Apr 26 '14

    Quote from couldntbhappier
    Yesterday in class, we learned that CNA's can empty & measure the contents of the colostomy bag BUT a NURSE must be the one to actually CHANGE the bag.

    Hope this helps!
    You know I often wondered about this too. As when I first started out my in the workforce etc. I started out at 17 years old in a nursing class at school. I was placed in a local nursing home as a c.n.a. At this particular place they had myself and others of the same age. Doing colostomy care to include changing , cleaning , etc. And there were also occasions to where we also inserted catheters too. Maybe , it was just a bad nursing home in which I started out in. But there were times that we as the cna's were expected to go above and beyond.

    Meaning takign vitals ,weights , dressing and or undressing residents , bathing , feeding , making beds , passing ice water/ nourishments , Granulex treatments (for decubitus) , caths , colostomy bags etc. I will never forget being new to the "field" and to the nursing home. And a nurse handing me a can of Granulex and telling me to cleanse so and so's "bedsore". There began many major crash courses , that our school instructor hadn't prepared us for as aides.

    Back in 1988 as a cna I earned $3.35 an hour to do all of the above and then some. I worked at that home for about a year , moved to another that was as bad if not worse where help was concerned. As it was there were nights that the aides would each have 30+ residents to care for. And throw in on top of that nurses duties as well as housekeeping duties. Eventually ,I quit that circus and went into in-home nursing and loved it. Worked 48 on and 48 off. Took care of no more than 4 persons at a time. Got some major crash courses there too. Because not only then was I there to bathe and dress , feed etc. I was also there to cook , administer shots , medications and so on.

    I really came to love in-home as it was the best of both worlds and then some. But the lady that I was working for went out of business , filed bankruptcy etc. So here I was an in-homer without certification etc. Ended up going into another field , management to be exact. And thus far have not been back into nursing. But as of late , I have not been working. And the desire to get back into nursing is pretty strong. I have tossed around the idea of going for an L.P.N. course and then possibly into R.N. But am leery about costs pertaining to courses , as I learned a valuable lesson with my husbands school loan !! :angryfire

    I really do not have a desire to go back into cna classes either. I am so divided on what to do. I am unsure about whether to go into Geriatrics , hospital setting or doctor's office settings. Is anyone else here also struggling with the financial aspects , what route to take etc. ?

    Any suggestions would be appreciated on this ! Here's a rundown , I am not currently employed. I live in Kokomo , Indiana and there is an I.U. campus here as well as Ivy Tech , as well. Are there any cna's here going for an LPN or an RN degree ? If so , what do you think about it ? And what about online courses ? Can you really take online courses and them prove to be effective in the long run ? As I am all up for online courses , but if I take them I want to be able to actually get a job !!

    Again , any suggestions would be greatly appreciated !


  • Apr 26 '14

    In my facility, CNAs empty and rinse out the bag, but putting on a new bag or irrigating the stoma is done by a nurse.

  • Apr 26 '14

    I think CNAs can only empty/measure the contents of colostomy bags. As far as changing it--I wouldn't. Whether by law I can or not--I haven't been trained to do so.

    I hear some CNAs get extra training from their employers and do more invasive procedures...but I'm not one of those. That stuff is for the nurses right now!

    As a CNA I do ADLs: feeding, bathing, dressing..etc, etc. I do vitals, I&O...pretty basic stuff!!

  • Aug 13 '13

    I moved out of the area, but I completed my ADN at a community college in southern Illinois. Just finished in May '13.

  • Aug 13 '13

    Yea we're all in the same boat. If you do go with Olivet, DO NOT take pathophysiology through the college. There is a self-paced course through the university of northern colorado that is much easier.

  • May 28 '13

    Quote from shodobe
    It seems to me there are a lot of people out there that are upst that they spent tons of money for a higher education only to find out that most if not all employeers want experience over a over educated nurse. For the person who thinks they should make more than me just because they decided they "needed" a BSN, well get a life! All hospitals, at least the decent ones, have a pay scale structure based on years of experience and not necessarily a education level. Yes, there are those that might get a bit more because of their higher level of education but not much. In any industry out there there will always be a pay structure based on your experience, period. Plumbers, teachers, firemen, etc all start out at the bottom and work their way up through years of just working. Just for your info I have 36 years of experince and the only ones who should make as much as I are the ones who have 30+ doing the same job. I am at the top of the pay scale at 53.84/hr. Most of you are just bitter and upset at the fact you will have many years of student loans whereas I have Nada! Get a grip, work hard and the rewards will pay off.
    Also to the guy above complaining about the ongoing "debate". There is no debate only the constant, ongoing whinning by a number of people still upset that their BSN isn't paying off now. Instead of complaining about ADNs not being "real" professional nurses maybe you should direct your anger at all the so-called "nursing schools" outside of this country churnning out inadequate nurses to take jobs from native trained RNs. Nurses in general better wake up to the strangle hold these foreign nurses are putting on nursing in this country. I don't really care that they pass a test to work here, stay in your own country where you are needed. There IS NO NEED TO IMPORT NURSES from any country.
    Wow. OK. But even the pay scales aren't what they should be. A person with less than a year experience shouldn't get paid the same as someone with 5, 10, 20 or 36 years. And, of course you wouldn't have student loans. I would hope after 36 years they would be paid need to brag, you know! Why would a BSN not pay off, except for the fact that if you can't find a job, well, that isn't even paying a monthly payment, now, is it? I think, that instead of complaining about ADN's not being professional nurses, I will complain about LPN's not being professional nurses, because, after all, my LPN is "LICENSED practical NURSE." I took the NCLEX like everyone else, and in a few months I'll be taking the RN NCLEX because I felt like I NEEDED that BSN....and I have a nice life, thanks! I feel that furthering my education will make it that much more enjoyable. And better yet, I think ALL NURSES should complain about the lousy pay, lousy working conditions, lack of supplies, abuse by patients, and lousy management that we have to deal with. We all need to band together and support each other no matter if our degree is LPN, ADN, BSN, etc. No wonder we have so many leaving within the first year!

  • May 28 '13

    Quote from the.truth.ferret
    As a former employee of ITT, I can tell you that ITT credits will only transfer to another ITT campus, that's it. If you go to ITT for a 4 year degree you will be in debt around $90,000 when you graduate. This will be from Stafford loans and private loans at a high rate of interest that you will have to take out when you max out all the government backed loans. The aggregate (lifetime limit) amount of Stafford loans for an independent undergrad student is $57,500.

    The education is substandard. Check it out here: My ITT Experience

    Campus Progress

    Just DON'T DO IT! ITT has ruined many many students' lives!
    I'm not tooting my own horn here, but I am so glad I am at the school I am at. No offense to ITT or any for-profit school, but I'd never attend them. Thank you for sharing your ITT experience.

  • May 28 '13

    Believe what you will, but I've read an overwhelming amount of negative things about ITT's nursing program. The cost is absolutely ridiculous. Most of the people who go to these schools do so because they can't get accepted into an established program or are looking for a quick way to get done. I was almost rooked in to going to this so-called school because of the lure of no waiting list, no admissions standards (other than an easy exam). The "academic advisors" (aka salespersons) put so much pressure on me to spend 6 times the amount of the same education at a large, well-know state university. So, go ahead and go into debt for substandard training. Be my guest. Best of luck to you. We'll just see who goes on to a career further down the road. Good luck ever trying to get in to a graduate program!

  • May 28 '13

    Good luck.

    ITT is a "for-profit" school that is only in business to make money for shareholders. Their educational standards have been proven to be low and their credits will not transfer any where, sometimes not even to another ITT campus.

    Their tuition is round $20,000 for one academic year which is three quarters. They operate by getting students on Federal student financial aid, Pell grant and Stafford loans, although these will in no way cover the full cost so at some point you will have to take out some high-interest private loans. As well, your loan aggregate amount for an independent student is $57,500 while a Bachelor degree cost is $80,000. You will have to either get private loans or pay cash to cover the difference.

    ITT has been and is currently embroiled in many lawsuits and investigations by the Department of Justice, the Department of Education, the SEC, the Governmental Accountability Office, as well as many former employees and students for fraud.

    Please do some research before you ruin your life. Start here:

    ITT Technical Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    My ITT Experience

    For-Profit Colleges

    ITT grads claim deception in lawsuit - Houston Chronicle

    ITT Educational Services, Inc. Under Long Term Investor Investigation | Shareholders Foundation

  • May 28 '13

    You should also check their NLN accreditation status, it can affect whether or not you'll be able to get work after your training. I do know that ITT's Bessemer. AL campus was denied accreditation in 2012.

  • May 28 '13


    So far the program is going well and as expected. Right now Im taking all the fluff classes (theories, Statistics,Ethics etc.). Tons of paper writing and APA formatting. Our primary classes such as health assessment, Path-physiology and Pharmacology is in class on campus. These classes I would prefer to take in classes because they are your primary classes you need to focus on to pass the boards. As for as the Curriculum, I have compare Olivet's with other schools as well ( i.e. Depaul University) and feel we are on the same course of actions. If its anything that would be a challenge, is finding your own preceptor for your clinicals. At the end of the day, I am a firm believer that school is whatever you make it to be. I hope this helps ; )

  • May 25 '13

    i still have to do my cna course but im going to do that this summer and be ready for next year hopefully!

  • May 18 '13

    Olivet's program is really expensive & everyone that attends it has to take out private student loans b/c the amount they charge is over what federal student loans allow per semester.