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    Hi Steven, nice article.. I do remember hearing students saying things like this. Trying to rack my brain to remember LOL. I think it was often those who were little-interested in pathology and just didn't get why it
    was important to know, and perhaps.. they didn't get that nursing isn't just a series of technical tasks but
    utilizes critical thinking skills??? Don't know, but that is a thought. But the statement "I'm a nurse, not an MD,
    why do I have to learn this."... it does smack of that mentality and yes I have heard it. Not from nurse grads but
    from students.

    Also- curious but are you from the UK or another part of Europe, Steven? You mention that the states all have diploma courses now like old-school nursing with hands-on, not just humanistic There are still some "diploma" nursing courses here but not so many these days.

    My mother was an RN-Midwife in the UK in the 50's, and actually the programs there were the equivalent of our old diploma programs- the nurses lived onsite in dorms and worked in the hospitals during their coursework.

    Someone in this thread commented about how nurses in the old days used to just empty bedpans and that is not true. My mother may have been an advanced-practice nurse and delivered babies (also trained medical students btw)... but even as a regular nurse she did more than empty bedpans. When I was in school she pointed out some interesting things- at least in the UK in the 50's.. nurses could not draw blood. (!!!) BUT.. when working in surgery as a first assist.. they could close. They also did home visits, etc.. anyway, much more than bedpans.

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    lindarn likes this.

    Hm... in WA state, the Dept of Health has it clearly spelled out in writing what the scope of practice for an MA is. MA's are not even legally allowed to do phone triage in clinics (though it happens all the time, since doctors are hiring them now instead of LPN's or RN's). They cannot do narcotics counts, they cannot start IV's, they could in theory scrub during surgery IF they did online cert test and were trained, and.. omg NO they could absolutely NOT do anesthesia. Nor could they recover a patient. This should be reported to the State Nursing Board, to the Scope of Practice Advisor- that would be a good place to start. I do not think in any state that an MA is protected only because there's no 'defined scope.'... makes no sense at all. This makes my blood run cold- the woman sounds dangerous.

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    I think I got the idea of the backbreaking work while I was in clinicals :-). How could one not? I've heard the expression "nurses eat their young" of course but in my own personal experience, the mature nurses have been the greatest mentors...encouraging and sane.
    Some of the very young nursing grads on the other be a bit full of themselves. I put it down to being excited about simply being a nurse and finishing school, and just.. being very young and not mature- but they don't seem to get that ... simply graduating and having a license does not make one expert on any level.

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    Lovely_RN likes this.

    I am not happy with nursing but my experience is/ has been/ different than Bree's. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've worked with some really wonderful nurses that I respect a great deal. Actually.. that's partly why I went to nursing school- I like many of the nurses I meet. So intuitively I thought.. I'd llike nursing. There are some aspects of it I don't mind but for the most part (at least my own limited experience) I find it not very engaging intellectually and brutally hard, long hours on your feet, and not at all supportive of the health of the nurses themselves. First do no harm? - doesn't seem to apply to nurses, does it.. I find it incomprehensible that the medical profession thinks it is possible to work 12 hours/ day caring for others with no personal health consequence. Okay, lol...this IS why I hate nursing. Soul sucking and health consequences...but I still like other nurses. Not all of em of course- I have met some catty types but those exist everywhere.

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    Quote from HealthyNurse
    I am an athlete and I have been my entire life. I work out 6 days week, usually a combination of both strength and cardio training for 2-3 hours/day. I run, swim, bike, life weights, rock climb, roller blade, ice skate....I'm very active! I am going to be honest- the only reason I can do all this is because I have a job with a 9-5 work schedule. When I worked in the hospital and did 3-12s/wk, I was only able to work out 3 days/wk. And even then, my workouts were not always effective because I was so tired from the shift work. On nights/days, that I worked the only thing that I could do was come home and collapse from exhaustion. By the time I got up, it was time to do it all over again (work). I was not able to train effectively for a marathon or tri during the time that I did hospital nursing. Maybe this was just an excuse as another poster pointed out, but since I have been active my entire life, I think that shift work just didn't agree with me. The interference with my work out schedule is one of the reasons (certainly not all of the reasons, but a major one) why I disliked hospital nursing so much. For true athletes, being active is an integral part of who you are. I found a job in home care after 1 1/2 years in the hospital and I haven't looked back since. I'm not saying that it can't be done if you work in hospital nursing, but it just didn't fit with me and my lifestyle.

    Sorry I can't give you better advice on how to incorporate it into your schedule- maybe try to do the best that you can with the 4 days/wk you are off. You can still train for a marathon or tri with only 4 days! Good luck in finding the balance.

    I think this is one of the more commonsense and honest replies I've seen. When I've worked as long as twelve hours, I feel almost catatonic by the time I get home. At one point my naturopath told me that... working out vigorously when that fatigued can in itself become one more drain on the body's resources leading to eventual adrenal exhaustion. I think after a twelve hour shift what a person needs is something restorative (lol like food and sleep)- not another stressor.

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    I'm on the same page with you re school- I loved pathology etc!! I know a doctor who went to nursing school then realized after a couple of years that her body was NOT going to hold up to it (she was only in her 20's and felt this way) - so she went to med school. There are also PA programs (which sound way more interesting than nursing, since the focus is all diagnostic).

    I've read stats that almost a third of nurses under 30 are leaving the profession.

    I have a license in an alternative med field also. What you state about career exploration and education not being wasted- well, I feel that way about that license. But not so much about nursing. Much of what I did in school is not transferable and therefore to me.. it was a lot of time, energy and $$ that I cannot now put toward another field (everything has to be repeated, in terms of prereqs).

    Before I went to school, three physicans I knew told me they thought it might be a bad idea for me. (did I listen? lol). One commented that he felt I needed more autonomy and it would drive me nuts (his wife is a nurse, he should know lol).

    One of the difficult things at this point in time for many people is the economic climate .. makes it tough to return to school.

    Anyway- thanks for your thoughts!!

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    This is quite beautiful, thank you for sharing it. Beautifully written. Compassionate.

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    Ambitiouz, Scrubby, and dlatimer like this.

    There is a concept in, cannot remember the term for it, sorry, but- the gist of it is this: if people invest a lot of time and energy in something (like $$, time and energy in nursing school) then it becomes harder to admit or realize that it was perhaps a waste of time or not right for them. In other words, the emotional investment increases with the amt of time/ money/ energy invested.

    So it is possible for people to rationalize why they should like something, the more of a sacrifice they've made to get there.

    I still dread going to work. Haven't been in nursing that long. Left for awhile to take a break, am back now in a job that is okay. Still don't like it, and realizing perhaps it's finally time to say goodbye to something that makes me unhappy. Hard to do though. Keep rationalizing (as many others on this site)- well, haven't found my "niche' yet.. sigh!!!

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    Hi, I'm posting late too. I love photonurse's reply. When I read the original question, bigtime deja vu.. exactly the same as I felt in nursing school. I loved the theoretical, the anatomy/phys, the pathology. I loathed the clinicals, the care plans, the meds. I loathed working in the hospitals. Going in the night before clinicals to pick patients and spend hours looking up info on care, etc....what a nightmare it all was. Lol I remember asking a friend at the time, who had just graduated med school... if I hate nursing school, do you think it means I will hate being a nurse? He said nope- he'd hated med school and loved being a doctor. Thing was, I didn't hate ALL of nursing school, just the clinical part. Lol the being a nurse part.

    Reading some of the replies, some say that well, it isn't as if the questioner hated working in the hospitals or the patient care part of it, because if she felt that way it probably would mean she hated nursing and it might not be worth finishing. I felt a click of recognition, because I DID hate the patient care and the hospitals. I stuck it out though, and got the LPN, thinking I'd stick it out, get a job, see if I hated it as much.

    For me, having a spiritual component to my work is important. I'm also licensed in alternative healthcare (first, before nursing) and the contact with patients feels like crap compared to the previous work, at times. It is difficult to be real and present for people.

    I wonder if the questioner finished school...? I suspect maybe she did, as close to finishing as she was. The real world of nursing is definitely better in some ways, sure. In other ways it's worse, it feels (to me) like the dead end job of all dead end jobs. Current job is probably as good as it gets- nice co workers, interesting job for the most part. Just too many hours, physically demanding. On days off I do little or nothing, so fatigued from the week. (have some health issues myself and job is affecting them).

    Again, I love photonurse's reply. Refreshing. Sometimes I get super tired of how we are all supposed to love nursing or we're traitors to the profession. My mom was a nurse years ago and her comment is it's not the profession it used to be- way more dead end these days, working conditions have gone downhill (staffing, patient ratios, hours etc).