Just curious about other programs......How many of you have cumulative testing within your nursing program? Does every test you take include questions from any previous tests you have taken throughout the semester?
Is it hard thats what im working now 32hr,but i hope they will atleast cut my hours to 25 a week so i can study and thing.I just get worried when my clinicals come around because idk how that works is a week stright or just a few day?
Depends on your program, you will find out more when you go to orientation. Our clinicals are 2 days a week.
I've been working 32 hours a week while in school and it has been just fine so far. There are a few days a week during clinicals when you will be unable to work due to clinical prep and such though. Your school will let you know which days to keep open during clinical rotations...Most of the nursing students in my program work part time and are able to manage nursing school just fine though.
Wooo, my goodness, what's wrong with a little levity from time to time. WoW! And yes, you clearly do need to take a break. I mean really, you didn't find the BEHOLD ALL even a tad bit humorous? I mean it's a classic comic hero reference and - you know what? It was my SuperStudentNurse tagline wasn't it? Too much?
I KNEW I should've gone for a wonderwoman reference!
That's right dang-it, don't find humor in the ridiculousness, because someone will feel the need to step in and be the higher moral standard. There is humor in every situation; if you lose your humor life will become miserable.
WahWah, I think people are just disagreeing with you to disagree, or they half read your original post and then decided to post. I've been following this post since it started, and it's ridiculous people keep making you out to be some horrible selfish person. You were posting about YOUR grade. It's totally not fair, and these people splashing the "there's no I in team" bullcrap are blowing my mind.
First of all, you pointed out it wasn't just you that feels this way.
Second of all.......you know what? There shouldn't even be a second of all, because this is too ridiculous to debate about, because you ARE TOTALLY justified in your feelings.
People are beating this post with a dead horse!!!!
Thank you! Why people are so he!!-bent on making me sound like some greedy, selfish curmudgeon is beyond me. I am not that type of gal! It is my grade....and let's be real here, grades in college are every bit as valuable as money in the working world. If you exchanged the grade factor for actual cash value in the nursing world, people would be highly upset if they were docked pay for these same reasons I have just got to come to the reality that nursing school is not a fair and just experience. It was a delusion of mine when I started. I thank all of you who can commiserate with me, I'm venting frustrations here because it helps me get it off my chest!
By more recent posts, it's becoming clear to me that many of the people who are disagreeing with you in words actually agree with you in priniciple. And, when responses get to that level of nonsensical, I just .
Just one thing I want to add, very gently. I really do wish you had said from the get-go that you thought this student's problems were due to an ESL issue. I would not have changed my opinion about your grade getting docked nor my opinion that you aren't responsible for carrying the student.
However, often what happens when a fluent English speaker is trying to assist another who is not so fluent, a bit of impatience on the part of the helper sets in, and it becomes apparent to the ESL student. Which makes them more nervous because the ESL student KNOWS it's a shortcoming. Which creates heightened performance anxiety. Which leads to mistakes.
The one thing I would have changed in my responses to you was to cover your impatience as much as possible if you are in a clinical rotation with him again. You may see a dramatic change and a higher level of performance. Of course, I'm assuming impatience on your part, but I've seen it happen a LOT in my life when it comes to fluent and nonfluent interactions between people.
Yes, you were correct earlier when you thought it would become a focus of the conversation. For me, it would have been part of the focus of the conversation because it's a very real phenomenon that needs to be addressed.
Good luck to you, wahwah.
Thank you! I was not trying to mislead any readers; again, I did not want ESL students to be the primary focus. I look at my peers/fellow students as my equals and I don't even like to factor ESL into the equation. I also agree that the language barrier issue does need to be addressed. However, it is very difficult for people to discuss the complexities without losing focus of the original post problem (i.e. grades being affected by other students)! Regardless of your background, I still feel that an individual is personally responsible for their full learning capability.
Really?! Never was it mentioned to spend all day/every minute with the student. Blown way out of proportion here! It's completely obvious that you only posted the OP to get people to agree with everything that you are saying. You keep adding more and more to your story about the incompetent person to make you "right" in the end. What are you getting out of all the feedback so far?
In the end, no matter what, patient is number one. It's not about the incompetent SN, it's about the patient. If you have to get the instructor or SN or nurse then so be it, but patient is number one. Period. End of story.
Um, not blown out of proportion my friend, I'm not lying about one single solitary part of my experience that I have shared. So, let me get this straight. A nurse should be tossed out into this world, ill-prepared, and other nurses should be on constant watch of their co-workers that are inept? Really? I'm not trying to be simply "right" here, I'm telling you that this student I refer to is not equipped to care for a patient on his own...do you get that? Do you honestly expect that he be passed through nursing school and become a nurse that needs constant baby-sitting by co-workers? That's wrong in so many ways and is impossible in the working world. Honestly, think about your mother being taken care of someone who is incompetent...would that be unsettling to you? If you stick with the motto, "the patient is number one" then why would you encourage the hypocricy of carrying an incompetent student into the real world of nursing? There is a clear disconnect here.
your thoughts in general are not totally coherent to me, but especially the sentence in bold....are you missing the point that the OP is loosing points d/t an apparently incompetent fellow student whom the CI is allowing to pass without doing the nec work? How is this putting the patient first?
Okay? Because in the end the patient will suffer if this person becomes a nurse who has not learned adequate skills! Thank you for pointing out the obvious. Let's be clear. The CI is doing no favors for the student nurse or his future patients.
Maybe not by identifying the person, but are the class grades shared with everyone? Our school they are not, for 2 tests in our second semester their was a graph with the average and how many people got what in a 5 or 3 percent region.(I can't remember exactly what the span was but it was under 5) IE: 6 people got 70-75% on the little chart. Their was always one that had 100% though and the number of students was one more then we had. Well a student asked an instructor if the 100% was the Key and apparently the graph wasn't supposed to be up there and they removed it. So out of 1 year and many classes we have never known what the class got except those 2 tests.
I see posts on here though always talking like people know exactly what grade everyone got. So I was curious if grades are shared with everyone or if people are just going off what they have heard.
Sometimes I wish the graph was back up again (I admit for selfish reasons) but at the same time it's not a big deal because at the end of the day it's my grade I am worried about the most. Our teachers feel their is no benefit for grades to be shared so that is why they don't share them.
Ours are the same, we get our grade and also a graph broken down by percentage and how many students fell into each bracket, i.e. 80-85%, 85-90%, 90-95%, etc. It's really nice to see, it helps to see how tough the test collectively was compared to your own score
Oh! English is his second language! Well...there you go. That would explain a LOT. I apologize, because I don't know where you're located, but here in NY, you hear a new language every time you turn the corner. Probably 25% of my nursing class had English as their second language, and just about everybody was 100% fluent. I do recall one very smart, incredibly sweet man who had already had one successful career (teacher in the Philippines) and--in his 60s--decided he wanted to go into nursing. While his English was good, he was not fluent, and so much of his energy was focused on trying to understand and communicate with medical terminology in English that he just couldn't keep his head above water and failed in our 2nd or 3rd semester. He was always nervous and anxious, became overwhelmed in the clinical environment and just couldn't pass the tests with a high enough grade to stay in the program. Nursing school is really tough, and without complete fluency in English, it's damn near impossible. It's sad, but there's zilch you can do to help your classmate with that.
I did not mention the second language portion of this issue because I didn't want that to become the main focus of the postings. We all had to take the same prereq courses and obtain a high grade in order to be accepted into the program. I'm sure it's a difficult journey, but nursing school requires proficiency in English if you are planning to work in the states. On the same note, there are many people in our program who are from other countries who are awesome students, so I don't want people to take this as I am bashing the ESL students. I agree, nursing school is tough for people when it is their primary language!
WahWah, I'm just throwing this out here: Is English the first or second language for the student who is floundering? Is it possible there is a language barrier? Or is it possible that the student has some MAJOR performance anxiety that turns him into a clueless mess when he's being observed and critiqued? Of course, it's just possible that nursing is not what his brain is designed for and he'll fail or quit, but I'm curious as to whether there are some barriers to his communication or performance.
PS: You may want to resist the temptation to give more examples than you have. You never know who hangs out on these boards.
nanacarol and jzkfel....I've never claimed to be a star pupil or the smartest in the class. I have lots to learn, I am a nursing student. Unfortunately, the two go hand and hand - my grade being docked and this particular nursing student's performance. Yes, I feel there is a true patient safety risk. And yes, I am focused on my grade and my success in nursing school.
In addition, I would never expect other nursing students to carry my dead weight. If I was having such a difficult time understanding skills and material, I would study harder and spend more time practicing in lab so I could get a better grasp on the requirements of the nursing program. Is that too high of an expectation to have of one's self?
Also, as I have stated before, I have no problem with helping others, as we learn a lot from each other, but this situation is a false expectation that I should ensure the other nursing student's success throughout the program. How can you really justify your judgements? I guess we just have a difference of opinion and we should leave it there. It seems that you think that people who are carried through the nursing program will one day become great nurses in spite of themselves. I would want a nurse caring for me or my family to be competent...maybe he will become competent one day, but that would take actual effort on his part. In the meantime, it is having a negative impact on my grade (and yes, this is my main focus).
Could we get some consistency my dear instructors? Puhleeez? Seems like everything is subjective, even science.
Just curious about other programs......How many of you have cumulative testing within your nursing program? Does every test you take include questions from any previous tests you have taken throughout the semester?
Thanks in advance!
I've been working 32 hours a week while in school and it has been just fine so far. There are a few days a week during clinicals when you will be unable to work due to clinical prep and such though. Your school will let you know which days to keep open during clinical rotations...Most of the nursing students in my program work part time and are able to manage nursing school just fine though.
nanacarol and jzkfel....I've never claimed to be a star pupil or the smartest in the class. I have lots to learn, I am a nursing student. Unfortunately, the two go hand and hand - my grade being docked and this particular nursing student's performance. Yes, I feel there is a true patient safety risk. And yes, I am focused on my grade and my success in nursing school.
In addition, I would never expect other nursing students to carry my dead weight. If I was having such a difficult time understanding skills and material, I would study harder and spend more time practicing in lab so I could get a better grasp on the requirements of the nursing program. Is that too high of an expectation to have of one's self?
Also, as I have stated before, I have no problem with helping others, as we learn a lot from each other, but this situation is a false expectation that I should ensure the other nursing student's success throughout the program. How can you really justify your judgements? I guess we just have a difference of opinion and we should leave it there. It seems that you think that people who are carried through the nursing program will one day become great nurses in spite of themselves. I would want a nurse caring for me or my family to be competent...maybe he will become competent one day, but that would take actual effort on his part. In the meantime, it is having a negative impact on my grade (and yes, this is my main focus).