A1551 1,212 Views
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I am unsure -- the way it worked for my class was they accepted a certain number of ETP students into anesthesia (5-10 usually so 7 sounds right) -- and that subset of ETP students does not need to reapply for a spot after working in an ICU, ie the spot is saved for us. However, they certainly could change things for future classes if the program so desired. You'd have to clarify that with the school. The only students who need to reapply to my knowledge, are the subset who get into ETP but NOT the anesthesia track, but still want to do anesthesia anyway. Maybe they were referring to that?
sure -- so the seminar is a class that goes along with integration, and you can request to be in the anesthesia seminar even if you're officially enrolled in another program. Basically its a class where you discuss cases you're seeing in the hospital with masters faculty of your specialty.
As to working -- the ACNP program lead strongly encourages you to work (maybe even mandatory?) -- either full time while doing the masters program, or you can take a 1 year leave of absence from the ACNP to work. The whole program is designed around working in fact. So basically, you'll have tons of time to make that call if you want it once you graduate from the BSN portion
Hi CAV13 -- I'm a current student in the anesthesia track and have 2 bits of potentially useful knowledge for you -- the first is I personally think if you want to work in an acute setting -- definitely enter the program as that. Heres why -- the program you come in as helps set the priority with which you get an integration placement, and the type of placement you get. Basically they try to match -- as much as is possible -- students of each specialty with appropriate integration sites. Anesthesia and acute students get put into ICUs (all ANES students get ICUs), stepdown units, and ERs. FNP students end up getting much more random and unpredictable placements. Within each program, your priority for getting a program appropriate site is based on when you joined the program, so if you start in acute, youll be at the top of the list for a critical care setting integration, while if you transfer in later, everyone who joined it before you will have higher priority. I may be biased in this, but I am pretty much sure being at a critical care site is more likely to be awesome than being on a general medsurg floor
Second -- if you really wanna do anesthesia -- don't worry too much about it. If and when you apply into the masters program for anesthesia, being an ETP grad will give you a leg up -- Columbia openly gives preference to its own grads in that regards, we have non anesthesia students in our integration seminar -- ie they have a great opportunity to get to know and impress the anesthesia faculty.
Hope this helps -- best of luck!
You can do either, depending on your masters program. Some have to work at least a year (anesthesia), others are more open to personal preference. The program directors for each program tend to encourage different things.
Acute specifically encourages you to both work full time right out of school, and simultaneously continue on with your masters full time. It's a very practically oriented program so I've heard this combo works well. Before clinicals start the acute people have class two days a week so its very doable. Off the top of my head I know the pedes lead encourages not working and going straight through, the family encourages people work, etc. So it's all over the map
Saw cu already gave a shot at your questions and I totally agree with that response!
In terms of disorganization -- I hear that all the time. Not only about Columbia but almost every accelerated program. For what it is worth, in my opinion the program is very well organized and I have no complaints. I feel like they've had so many years to "get it right" that the program as a whole has reached a fairly stable and functional level, I felt like everything was pretty clear, the classes well run, the administrative side of things (minus financial aid) etc are all pretty good. With that said it's not perfect, there have been issues. I can certainly think of a few of my classmates who would disagree with me about the program being well organized, but I do believe overall the program is well run. CU mentioned that they previously accepted 200 students into one class -- I've heard the same thing that they had a lot of problems THAT year, and since then they've been much stricter about limiting the class to 150. So that might be a good example of "mistakes they've made and now know to avoid"
On feedback -- each 5x5 group (about 30 people who you rotate with for most of your classes) has representatives who meet with the program staff and discuss concerns, ideas for future program improvements, etc. They do listen to feedback and make changes. Funny you should mention it actually but mentoring is one example, last year's class felt the mentoring program that existed was too sparse and underdeveloped so this year they ramped it up.
You had a lot of other good questions in there I'd really like to answer but I gotta get back to work! I will quickly say the faculty are outstanding and supportive overall and VERY willing to go above and beyond for individual students. At this point I've been through way more college courses than could possibly be healthy and would say my hands-down top three most amazing professors ever are ETP instructors, and all of them teach multiple classes in the undergrad portion.
Thanks hopkins -- certainly sounds like a change for the worse in terms of the financial aid package although I suppose it depends on how generous they are with what they give based on your EFC.
Was anyone else at the open house yesterday? Really surprised about some of the information we were presented with: financial aid/scholarship changes, no exposure or even encouragement to participate in faculty research.
I felt badly that the financial aid woman ended-up defending the program when a prospective student asked her some pointed questions, specifically, how does Columbia defend the price tag. She had two responses: 1, 91-95% of Columbia students who pay 100K for the BSN will pass the NCLEX on the first try whereas students who go to less expensive schools might have to take the test twice; 2, a Columbia nurse was the first to discover that using Purell between patients cut infection rates. I've had significant exposure to the health field and have done a lot of researching on programs so these two responses seemed weak.
A1551, I will be applying to the ETP program and desperately want to be accepted into the anesthesia track. I was wondering if you could possibly tell me more about where you stood in comparison to the average applicants. (GPA, GRE score, or prereq GPA) This would be greatly appreciated and give me some idea of where I may stand.
I'm a current ETP student and remembering how important this thread was to me around this time last year, I'll try to toss out a few bits of information that I really wanted to know as an applicant.
At the information session I attended last year (so this is 2 yrs out of date) they said the accepted classes avg GPA was 3.59 and the GRE avg was around 1100/4.5, and basically to shoot for 50th percentile or above. I don't know the stats for my class, I don't think they ever specifically told us. I BELIEVE they told us there were 700-900 applicants for our year, but please don't quote me on it
Beyond that I'd say they did an excellent job looking at applicants as a whole and not just based on a couple of numbers. If I were applying again..I'd probably worry the most about the personal statement and getting recommendations from people who can genuinely speak to my character vs. retaking the GRE's to hit the average, or something along those lines. Professors have brought up things with me I didn't even remember I put in my personal statement, so they're definitely reading them!
Also -- I'm in the anesthesia track. If it helps I can say that there are nine of us this year, and that not a single one of us thought we had much chance of actually getting in -- yet we're all here, so if it's what interests you don't be discouraged!
Finally I'll just say I'm very happy with the program, the quality of the professors, etc, to date and have no regrets about choosing Columbia, outside of when the bill is due each semester
Best of luck to you all!
Sadly I don't know anything specific. I can say if you're non matriculated you go "last" when registering...I took classes with non degree students during the fall and spring, and many of them did mention having problems getting registered as most of the classes they needed were full.
If you can, switch to matriculated status. Try visiting admissions in person and saying you changed your mind and want to pursue the whole degree there. There's no downside to being matriculated that I know of.
Finally, BMCC is a massive mess in terms of administration. Many times they told me (or others) we HAD to do something or we couldn't take classes, or that we weren't allowed to do something, and usually (not always) it wasn't even true. For example, admissions told me I had to register in person my first semester, at the end of registration, and that I HAD to be advised before I could register on that day. Yet as soon as registration opened up online (weeks earlier than my in person apt) I was able to register on panther, and I never did get advised for that semester. So try anyway even if they tell you no
You said you're already registered for the class in your response..if admissions is telling you NO but you already registered and are in the class...I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just pay the bill and show up when it starts..as long as panther says you're in the class I can't imagine anything else matters.
Best of luck!
My class is 150 students, 8 of which are male. Wonder what we're doing wrong
I recently did mine with first response advantage (Welcome To First Response Advantage CPR | BCLS | ACLS |) - its the first time I took the BLS, so I don't know whats normal or have anything to compare it to, however they had lots of classes in convenient locations in manhattan, at least for me, and the instructor was pretty good, we all had our own mannequins, etc.
also what I do know about CMSV -- not much sadly -- a friend I'm doing prereq's with got admitted and said they gave her a very generous scholarship. IMHO if you already have a bachelors do an accelerated program, they generally take as long as the associate programs anyway, so why not?
I'm doing prereqs at BMCC but not attending for the program - I really gotta say the price is right at BMCC, for the most part my professors have been great, etc. The program is a bit weird and can be hard to get into, they're actually changing the way it works (I hear) but currently you basically need to get A's in 4 particular courses (A&P, dosage calc, English composition, and psych) -- they have so many people applying for a limited # of spots (and its so easy to get A's in most of the courses) that basically only the people with the 4.0's get in, as they do admittance straight off your GPA in those classes.
I didn't stay purely b/c I wanted to do an accelerated bachelors program, however if I was going for an associate I'd stay in a heartbeat.
if your a guy nurse this is almost a daily occurence...I usually just laugh it off.
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