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    If you already work at a hospital and they would reimburse the course at approximately $1,500 or more, go for it. There are many hoops to jump, however, including pre-qualifications, required uniforms and equipment. Once through the course, pass online questions and demonstrate skills for instructor. This, and starting out as a new CNA may be more stress than anticipated as you will have a state certification on file. You would learn much in class and on-the-job at low earnings. My experience is that many other occupations with less requirements pay much more! If you work in a hospital you may learn just as much without the rigorous class schedule and testing. It's much to uphold for $9-$11 an hour. Best wishes.

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    Quote from psalm
    I once said to a doc "oh, someone got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning!" when he came in early morning and proceeded to verbally assault me, a night nurse. It stopped him enuff to realize there were other people around the nurses' station and he became more subdued.

    Not for my ego but just to diffuse his temper. As steph says, the pts. don't need the drama and neither do our co-workers. I didn't get an apology but this doc is civil nowadays...

    Psalm and others who mentioned that patients don't need to hear this:

    I once knew of a hospital secretary that would harass the floor staff and in fact picked a fight with one of them at her desk when the person quietly let her know the harassment needed to stop. She only elevated the situation by raising her voice and pointing in the person's face, acting almighty and powerful "behind the desk." Unfortunately, the staff heard a patient nearby had acute hearing and was very upset by it. Guess who got written up? It wasn't the secretary. Yes it was okay for that person to speak up. Was it handled right by the institution? NO. Lesson learned: refuse to speak with the person unless in a private room, preferably with a witness or two. This secretary was putting on a show at the patient's expense. I pity her coworkers. Don't know how she manages to convince their manager she is "all that." And we worry about Doctors?!? Oh my word! Love the "wrong-side-of-the-bed joke!

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    Quote from ArwenEvenstar
    yep! I recently ran into the family of a case I used to work through Maxim, and they had been without a nurse for over a month! Unable to staff a case for that long?! Maxim digs their own grave!! And this was a high tech case that got the highest reimbursement rates.

    Kyasi, you sound great! I hope your nurses appreciate you. If you treat the nurses (and HHA's) like professionals and show appreciation for good work, you are more likely to get and keep reliable, competent, and loyal employees.

    Maxim clearly does not get that. Their whole business structure is wrong.

    Maxim gave me the biggest bunch of bull. Not only blamed medicaid reimbursement rates, but mentioned all the other "expenses" they have to pay for employees...ya know social security, office overhead, etc. I was about to start sobbing for how little Maxim makes. (yeah, right!) The male director of this location lives in a posh, luxury home. How do i know? He lives in the same neighborhood as a case I worked. He earns enough to live in luxury, but won't give a nurse a 50 cent an hour raise.
    To Arwen & Blackcat (and thank you Kyasi),

    Add to the issues you have mentioned such as the "office staff giving orders, withholding hours, and speaking to you condescendingly," the fact that, "we just wanted to OVER emphasize now, and you have to sign this agreement, that YOU are an AT WILL EMPLOYEE." Oh and everyone had to drive to the office to pick this up and sign for it and get it back to the office by the deadline. The pay is pitiful and the raise finally, did nothing to keep up with the new grocery and gas rates. If only we were treated with dignity such as Kyasi does, things would look so much brighter. We had a supervisor like her a long time ago, and it was like day and night compared to what has been doled out by the corporation lately. Shortly after many signed up for donation to its endowment fund, our weekend premiums were cut in half and other benefits froze. We are hoping for a breakthrough, but don't know where it is going to come from as we are just a small part of this entity. Yes, I know the upper management also live in the same neighborhoods we go to work in, and there is not much recognition of us as human beings with gifts, talents, education, ethics, morals, and compassion toward our clients. The organization brags about top qualified help, but as to which ones of us are, I don't think they really know or care. The true standard now is, "just do your job, nothing more and nothing less." Sad.

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    Quote from CrabbyPatty
    Feel like I'm going crazy!!!

    I was diagnosed ADHD in my early 20's, although i had the classic symptoms as a child (I was so impulsive that in 2nd grade I went to the bathroom and my teacher came looking for me after awhile to find me climbing over the tops of the stalls because I wanted to see how tall they were!)

    Anyhow, I didn't start meds til I was in my early 30's when I had no choice but to stay focused to perform a high stress job to supporty myself & my 8 year old son (who was also diagnosed). I got remarried, quit my job & went full-time to nursing school. I struggled even with my meds. I was smart enough to test out of 6 of my pre-requisistes thank God because I might not have passed if I had to sit through boring lecture after lecture and take notes on and read about things I wasn't interested in. During one of those tests, the professor put me in a classroom full of students during a lecture!!!!! I was taking a test so important that it would allow me to test out of a class and he actually thought I could focus (could ANYONE focus) in a classroom full of students during a lecture???

    Anyway, despite the ridiculous "accommodations" made by my college, I graduated with a 3.0 GPA despite the hell I went through to graduate.

    I started nursing in ICU on nightshift. Lots of good reasons for an ADHD'er to work nightshift, especially as a new nurse - so much less distraction than days, no families around to constantly interrupt you, no tests that you personally have to take your patient off the floor for (unless there's an emergent MRI or something) - and I worked with nurses who knew way more than any of the docs, so I learned so much from them! I was ALWAYS busy on night shift, and sometimes overwhelmed because I was a new RN, but I never left late past my shift because I had to catch up on documentatiuon.

    My problem with Nights was that it REALLY screwed up my sleep-wake cycle. If I worked 3-12 hour shifts in a row, I would literally sleep for 3 straight days, I'd eat cereal and go back to bed. I felt like I was drugged. this wasn't making my new hubby or my teenage son very happy.

    It took me a year to finally get to transition over to dayshift. However, the only opening on days was a Per Diem slot and I had to float between ICU and telemetry. My biggest problem was the fact that I was STILL exhausted all the time; my circadian rythm was totally out of whack! After almost a year as per diem, a permanent PT slot opened up in ICU., I felt like I was home again.

    Except that the exhaustion didint get better. I was also recently placed on antideprssants that I later found out can prevent REM sleep. I was still sleeping for days at a time, but never felt rested. My stimulants would get me started in the morning, but by 5pm I was a zombie. So unfocused, in such a fog! Came close to making some serious med errors, caught myself before they were administered, but came toooo darn close!. My Vyvanse dose was maxed out at 100mg (as per the doc).

    I just kept getting more and more unfocused at work and felt like I was always running in circles not knowing what to do next (no way for an ICU nurse to perform).

    Finally, after mutiptle MD recomendations, I had a sleep study. I took an Ambien CR beforehand (or else I would not have been able to sleep). The results showed no Sleep Apnea, thank god, but did show that I get No REM sleep and that I have PLMD (periodic limb movement disorder) where my legs jerked 684 times!!

    OK, now the sleep doctor wants me to go off my antidepressants since most of them can suppress REM. They also want my psych doc to prescribe Nuvigil to me for excessive daytime sleepiness. Oh, and they want me to take Mirapex (which is an anti-parkinsons' med) for the PLMD.

    Ok, so great. I wean off Lexapro & Concerta. I start Nuvigil 100mg in addition to my Adderall XR 100mg, and I now have the Mirapex 0.125mg to take at night with my Ambien CR. How's that worked for me, you say?

    It's been around a month for all the meds to become aquainted. Some are gone, some are new. Now, do I feel 100% better??? NOOOOO I have always on my ADD brain had difficulty keeping up with the charting & might stay 45 minutes or so late to catch up.

    Now, I'm focusing on the damn new online computer charting system that is totally redudent and fulll or errors. So much so that my patient's safety is being compromised!! I had a pt who came to ICU and within 30 mins his SBP was 62, at the same time I've got my manager yelling at me that I should NOT be far behind on my charting!!!! I thought I was going to lose it...Let's think here...what's the priority??? The patient of the PAPER!!!! My whole day and the day after were just a blur. Me trying to keep the patient alive & being pulled aside constantly by management so they could train me on this new documentation system! Oh, & just when it is getting really bad, someone from the bloodbank shows up with a unit of PRBC's for my patient and she tells me that she has to audit me during the whole process; this is while the man's 85 year old girlfriend is at the bedside asking me every 5 minutes "is he going to get better", "why is he in the ICU", "what are the doctor's plans", I'm hanging blood in one line and a pressor in the other!!!

    Needless to say I cried all way home from work. I felt totally incompetent as a nurse. I got home @ 10pm that night & had to get up @5:30 to start it all over again. 2nd day was very similar to the 1st because of the patient's ever changing condition and all the new charting we had to do, along with taking care of my other very sick patient!

    Went home defeated. Got into a fight with my hubby. He announces at dinner that he wants a divorce (with my son sitting right across the table)!

    I make an appointment to see the psychiatrist whos been treating my depression / ADHD and now part of my sleep disorder. He's 15 minutes late getting me in to see him, I tell him the latest news with me, he tells me that he can't do anything more for my depression and I need to check myself into a psychiatric facility to get it resolved!!!! As he's saying this, I'm about to fall on the floor!!!! I told him perhaps the circumstances in my life at this moment might be worsening my depression (he took my antidepressants away almost 2 monts ago!) I said the my lack of sleep is only exacerbating my ADHD symptoms and I'm having too many near-misses at work. I said I'd like to get a medical leave from work until I can get my sleep problems under control. He asked me what more was being done about that and I told him I had an appointment with a neurologist the next day. He stood up and was basically shooing me out of his office as he handed me a refill for my Vyvanse!! Same dose as always, what's this going to do to help??? He asked me to bring up Klonopin with the neurologist to help me sleep and deal with depression.

    Well, went to the neurologist who informs me that although my sleep study was done at the sleep center she works for that my dianosis given by another doctor there is totally wrong. She says I don't have Lack of REM, nor do I have PLMD. She explained them away and said it was probably because I was uncomfortable during the sleep study; I took an Ambien CR before the study and I never left the prone position, it wasn't like I was tossing & turning! She wants me to stop ALL meds and retrain my circadian rhythm.

    Ok, I would love to retrain my circadian rhythm and I would LOVE to get off all the meds, but I DO honestly believe the sleep study report that shows I get no REM sleep & showed that my legs DID twitch 684 times!

    In the meantime, I feel like I can no longer provide care to my patients in a timely & safe manner! I feel like I'm in a fog most days @ work and just can NOT concentrate or stay focused with ANYTHING. And having been reprimanded for the 1st time ever by my boss, in front of the entire unit, makes me think I need a breakl. Not to mention that EVERY time I drive home from work for the past couple of months, I honestly feel myself dozing off!

    Effective today I requested FMLA for myself, on the basis of my sleep study results & the fact that it is still not resolved and when coupled with my ADHD, my ability to perform my nursing responsibilities in such a highly critical environment is impaired. There is no room for error in ICU nursing. I just need to get a doc to back me up!!!

    I've got to find the right doc who knows what they're doing! Any ADHD sleep disorder docs out there??????

    Hello Patty,

    I definitely feel for you. I too work nights and often can't sleep well or change the circadian rhythm. Dr. Prescribed Trazadone which helps stay asleep, but often need something with it to get "un-wired" from the stimulation of excessive concentration during the night.

    In your case, you need a specific and highly ordered set of medications and above-board Physician Management. I don't know your location with regard to a Sleep Study Doctor, but it may help to contact a leading University in your state to see if there are special programs for example, when patients are directed to the Mayo Clinic in MN.

    What a smart idea to go on FMLA to save your health and career. I hope meanwhile you have found more answers and that you are progressing and moving forward. I am so very sorry to hear of how the prolonged disorders interrupted your marriage when you were trying your best to manage so much at one time. I wish that once you overcome these barriers, that there is hope toward a second chance at the marriage. My husband has been very patient thank God, I think he is grateful that I am able to pay the mortgage, but it is a struggle, as you know.

    Wish you the best,

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    Quote from MaroonTX
    Hello I am new to the forum, and as a 20 something who was diagnosed with ADD in college I have faced many of the same issues. In my early school days (elementary-high school) I always felt like something was wrong with me because I could never sit through class without becoming extremely agitated and annoyed. I felt that teachers always went too slow and I could never focus on/remember what was being said as my mind was constantly wandering and thinking about a million things at once. Teachers always got mad at me for being a "chatter box" or not paying attention, but I found it too difficult to sit quietly and listen. I always made good grades, but completing the simplest of tasks would take me forever because I would get side tracked and want to move on to something else. I had heard about ADD before, and although I thought I might have it I never wanted to admit that I had a "problem". My fear of seeking help was worsened when I brought the subject up to my parents. They told me that I was being ridiculous, accused me of wanting "legal speed" and that I was probably just bored because I was "too smart" to have to pay attention. Once I started college, things only got worse. My grades were still good, but I could not sit through a lecture and eventually found myself deciding not to go to class because it was just too painful to sit through. I eventually decided to seek help, especially since now I could do so without my parents approval. I was very nervous about discussing my issues, because it was not something I was ever very open about, but luckily the doctor was very understanding and told me I was not dumb or weird for feeling the way I did. He determined that I did in fact have ADD, and started me on adderall. I was a little apprehensive about taking the prescription because of the stigma of the diagnosis and being prescribed amphetamines, but he assured me that he had seen wonderful results with medication and if at any time I felt that it was not a good fit to let him know and we could try other things. Needless to say it worked miracles! I could sit in class, pay attention, and read for more than 20 minutes at a time. My grades remained the same, but achieving success was not the painstaking challenge that it had been in the past. I made the mistake of telling others about my diagnosis when I was completing my first degree (nursing is my second). This led to constant harassment from my friends and others to sell my prescription during finals and resulted in ridicule and hatred from those "friends" when I refused to do so. I also had to deal with my peers questioning my diagnosis because of my good grades, and jokes about being a "crack head" for being prescribed amphetamines. They also made me feel like I was somehow taking the easy way out because when they illegally used the drug it was like "studying on steroids". I tried to explain that when I take my prescription, I don't have super human study powers, but instead I can study normally and stay focused on the task at hand. Before, I always studied alone because when I would group study, I could tell I was annoying with my constant need to get up or talk and distract others. When I was accepted to nursing school, I decided to hide my diagnosis in order to prevent similar occurrences and have a fresh start, but it often has left me feeling lonely. So many people misunderstand ADD. They seem to think that you have to be stupid or make bad grades to really have ADD. This led me to question my diagnosis, and my doctor reassured me that many people who have ADD are very intelligent and are able to compensate for it during their early school years because they can get by without properly concentrating. Having ADD has not been easy, and it is something I feel like I have to hide from my friends, peers and family. Now that I am about to begin my career as a nurse, I wonder if it is something to discuss or hide from my future employers and coworkers. Also, I have been asked to take UDA and I am afraid of testing positive for amphetamines. I know that you can prove you are legally prescribed, but I have heard/read several horror stories about results being reported regardless of having a prescription and the consequences of such events. Anyone who has any advice to offer on the subject would be greatly appreciated!
    Hello Maroon,

    It sounds like you are managing the ADD very well and that you are doing all the right things. You learned from the past experience of telling people about the Adderall because they just wanted it for themselves. As to the stigma, yes, people do not understand unless they themselves are familiar with it. The UDA part is nerve wracking, but I have found that with each test, the designated physician/or HR Representative call and "tell me I was positive." I give them my pharmacist's phone number and they simply call to verify I have a prescription for it. There doesn't seem to be anything proactive we can do to avoid the stress of knowing these steps are coming, but in each case, all of the corporations I've worked for have accepted the documentation and they do not violate the confidentiality, unless I made it easy for them by talking about it with ANYONE. You should assume that you can not trust anyone, and besides, I've seen more nurses than you would expect, walk into the nurse station asking what they came in there for! They are just tired or feeling middle age when people start to forget some things or hormonally related issues that do the same.

    It's also evident you have superior communication and writing skills, and coupled with your highly aware state of your understanding of and coping with ADD, you are on your way to a VERY SUCCESSFUL career. Maybe after you are around for 10 years or more and decide to become an educator, then perhaps you could share your experiences appropriately, but surely not as the new kid on the block. There will always be those people who want to use just anything to bring you down especially when you are very bright and looking good as a new hire or new nurse. If you do discuss anything with your employer, it would be "giftedness," but only in the light of a supervisor sincerely mentoring you or showing you the ropes and mentioning any pitfalls you might have encountered. Continue to follow your intuition, it looks to be on target! Wishing you the best!

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    Sorry to hear of your dilemma. I would make an appointment with her soon as you can, so that she can look for someone else.

    The more positive way to go about this would be to examine your time commitments to your off-duty activities. Do you take a family member for appointments? Do you watch a neice or nephew or have your children do weekend activities on a certain schedule? As much as you do sound like a team player, begging off this rotation due to prior commitments will save your health. Healthy coworkers multiply productivity over the long haul. They also reduce turnover, because people want to work where others pull their share and work together.

    Maybe in discussing your original rotation, you could offer to do something different, that would still help your Manager. Best wishes.


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    Just provide a pen and ask the patient to write their name, and DOB when he/she gives the sample. Get the sticker later, whether it's the actual order sticker, or a generic patient sticker from the chart. if the patient themselves at least writes their name in a grease pencil, problem solved.

    We are making this task much harder than it needs to be.

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    sounds as if you are a contientious rn. you did right without even knowing the new law.

    if this place makes a practice of you all being the last to find out about new legislation, and their effects on your practice, move on out.

    go to a place where education and updated matierial is displayed prominently as to learn something new each time you come to work.

    best wishes,


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    Hello Cara,

    Take this experience in the boarding school and produce numbers according to your accomplishments. For example, are these young people considering medical careers? You must have the same shortages as we do in the states. Can you positively influence some of the students to investigate the personal recognition and pay they would receive by becoming a nurse?

    During this time, keep your eye on exactly what you want and if possible, ask for a paid internship? Another Volunteer Position to network and get to know what things are like at your place of interest.

    What is next in your upward route of the educational process? Are you looking at a Master's Degree, or to become a Nurse Practitioner? Your area study that you choose, would be a shot in the arm to co-study by working on that floor. I would say that would be a GREAT reason to hire someone like you to that specific discipline. Having a detailed, plan complete with goals, facts and figures of measured accomplishments will sell you. One such accomplishment could be writing a health and safety newsletter, which talks about young womens' new option of receiving an HPV vaccination. Another topic could cover young people's volunteering in a hospital. It would be prudent of them to understand the various types of contact isolation. Just being involved in MANY organizations while you are doing this job, will liven up the boredom, and who knows, it may lead you to the right person or place.

    Best Wishes,

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    Quote from llg
    you write about backstabbing and not supporting each other ... as you condemn us all, stabbing us all in the heart with your gross generalizations. in your post, you yourself are guilty of not supporting your fellow nurses and weakening the profession through your harsh condemnation of your colleagues.

    some of us have had good careers and are working hard (and successfully) to improve conditions where we work.

    i'm sorry you have had a bad time and are unable to cope with your situation. but please don't try to take the rest of the profession down with you. your nursing colleagues deserve to be treated better. we don't need one of our own treating us as badly as you did in your post.

    [font=lucida sans unicode]thank you for your work in turning around the environment with positive change. lord knows we deserve a healthy work environment in order for healing to take place for our patients (as well as ourselves).
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    [font=lucida sans unicode]generally, there is a lot of condemnation and criticism in the profession here and there, so it is good news people like you are out there doing something great!
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    [font=lucida sans unicode]keep us posted.

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    Quote from vamedic4
    As I have worked both days and nights I can see your plight. Day nurses are (as you have stated) incredibly busy. YOu have family members, docs, procedures, labs...all of this to deal with. At night we get less...much less.
    For her to treat you that way is
    A. Unprofessional
    B. Ignorant
    C. Disrespectful
    D. All of the above

    The answer is obviously....D. There is really no excuse for that to happen. You have a few options -tell your manager, take her aside and explain to her that her type of attitude will not be tolerated or time that happens...politely confront her in front of everyone and let her know that her attitude is unacceptable. You'd be amazed how many people just "take it"...and there's no need for it.
    It's all about attitude, your attitude toward your coworkers, patients, families, et cetera. And she just needs a good swift kick in the ass.

    Best of luck.
    Yup, this is the truth. Too bad we aren't totally prepared for these situations coming out of Nursing School. "Disruptive Behavior" is coming to the forefront in Health Care,and we must monitor WHERE we take someone aside because this person is already rude and the conversation could escalate. Yes, I do agree it should be done in front of everyone -- just make sure it is out of ear shot of patients and guests. Like the post before yours, the person mentioned that if you don't initiate support, you will be the one getting written up, and the person violating the code of conduct is invited for afternoon tea with the Director . The good news is remembering what goes around, comes around, eventually.

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    Quote from chadash
    i would be less fussy if she were a overly eager student, or an emt, but if she is a seasoned na, she knows she is overstepping.
    yes, she probably knows she is out of her scope of practice. however, i remember the beginning of the story when the na stated, "well a lot of the other nurses appreciate it when i do ____ and trust me do ____. maybe that's true when you develop solid teamwork and strong relationships -- but this blurs boundary lines and makes for too much inconsistency. this issue detracts from a smooth-running floor where rules and structure benefit people, because everyone knows exactly what is or is not expected from them. i know people want to go home on time, and nurses definitely deserve respect with the ability to delegate. it gets too confusing as to who does what for whom; therefore, it would be a better business practice among employees to implement fair expectations across-the-board.

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    Quote from shodobe
    Break or no break it is just plain wrong to ignore students the way some OR nurses do. They belly-ache all the time, "we're over-worked, understaff" but will continue to ignore them in the name of patient care. Poppy-cock! There is always time to give to students who show the interest and try to explain what is going on. Just sitting there and reading a magazine, which is a no-no in the first place, is just plain rude and on the edge of being elitist. We are no better than anyone else and have to remember that if we impress just one student out of dozens, or 43, that rotate through our department we have done good. RNin2007 can come around anytime to me and will feel welcomed and not fill like a second class citizen. I guess my time management skills are pretty good since I can not only take care of my patient but also the needy surgeon and sometimes the clueless anesthesia. Come on people stop being so self-centered and help these students in their hour of need, all they want is a little help and we as oldies but goodies don't need to snack on the helpless.
    Thank you! Must be a blast working with you!

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    Quote from Metron
    I started this thread because I wanted to talk to nurses with ADD. Please save the "overabused" or "it doesn't exist" argument for another thread. I deal with these myths enough in everyday life.
    Yes, I understand. A very good friend of mine said, "yeah, everyone has ADD/HD, just to varying only amounts to one's learning style."

    It wasn't until after I left that my instincts began alarming. Even when I called a social service agency I was told, "Well, ADD isn't a real diagnosis." My own psychiatrist who prescribes ADD medication, doesn't even have my case file documented as ADD, only some conditions that result from it.

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    Agree. Employees need to CORRECT the implication by stating EXACTLY what their role is, otherwise it is illegal to impersonate.