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I have been nursing for 3 years now, and am currently looking at leaving the profession over the next two years. I am not leaving nursing due to the nature of the work or being a male nurse in a female dominates profession.
Reason number one is that I think nurses do not treat each other with respect in lue of their profession. There have been shifts where I would see nurses arguing over the minutest things. I am sitting at a desk charting watching doctors shaking their heads over this. At the same time I would like just to put a bag over my head with a frownie face painted on the front. Like a lot of nurses I worked at a different profession before entering nursing. I finished my Business degree and worked with my dad as an engineer. I did engineering for more than four years and never seen the squabbling with peers as demonstrated with nurses. How can nurses want to be treated like professionals if they do not act the part?
The second reason is nursing is doing nothing to better the profession. I look at other professions within the medical field and they are always raising the requirements for their profession. Such as physical therapist needs a master's degree, pharmacist need a pharm D, and physician assistants are moving to all masters degrees.
Nursing needs to raise their education level to at least a BSN. Believe me there are still doctors out there think that all nurses are diploma nurses. I not say this because I have a BSN but because this will bring more respect to the profession with better pay. Believe me I hold my BSN in high regard, and worked my a$$ off more than my business degree.
I have a two year commitment with the current profession (military) and things not improve for the better, I will leaver profession altogether. There is a female nurse who is leaving the profession after 14 years because she was put in a nursing manager's position and could not tolerate the entire belly aching going on with her peers. Another male nurse just got accepted to Medical School. He was like me no respect from his peers or patients drove him out of the profession.
If you want to attract more males to the profession, change the working environment, then there are more males in the profession
Everyone is taking my message wrong. I don't care if you are MSN, BSN, AD, diploma nurse. One of the biggest post on here is about how nurses get paid so poorly compared to other professions.
But other professions require at least a bachlors degree to apply. Other medical professions are moving to a higher educational standard and they are just as in demand as nursing. Once we go to all BSN you will never hear the debate about BSN vs AD. Physical and Occupational theaptis had moved from a 4 year degree to masters levels cours. Pharmacy has moved from bacholrs degree to PhamD. Why is there such resistance in Nursing?
I don't care about how many letters is after some ones name. My name tag just has my first name and I keep my education to my self. I just trying to offer solutions instead of griping about current nursing coditions.
I think within the next 5 years that all nurses should be required to gradaute with a BSN. This in the long run could give good reason to bring up salires or ask for more money. Hopfeully within the next 10 years a MSN will be an requirment for new graduate nurses. I know I will catch a lot flack from this. But if you want more respect from other professionals in the medical field, this will be done through education.
Other medical professions has increased thier educational level such as physical therapist, pharmicist, and PA are going to entry level masters programs. I don't care if nurses out there have a BSN or AN. But i think by raising the euducational level will bring some respect to the profession. :chuckle
I spoke abuot this last week. Only12% of nurses out there are under the age of 30. You think the nursing shortage is bad now, wait another 10 years. Our normal class size our junior year is normally 35, we started out only with 27. When we graduated, we only had 19 of the orgional crew. We picked a few up along the way frome the previoius year who got rolled back or RN to BSN.
Here is a few recomendations from me to make nursing more appealing. Espically for males.
1. Change the name of nursing to something else. Some hospitals use the Clinician levels such as I or II insteasd of using the word nurse. For some guy this is not to macho. Espically when most male nurses are reguraded or thought of as gay. I catch a load of crap from my buddies all the time.
2. Require all new graduates to be BSN graduates. Get rid of the AD program. Other professions require an higher educatinoal level to increase there pay. Allmost all Physical Therapis programs are Masters programs, allmost all pharmcy degress are PhamD and Physican Assistants are going to Masters level programs. Most doctors think all nurses are 2 year degree holders and this is nothing compared to thier 8 years of schooling.
3. Develop an intern program for new nurses or all new graduates that are 18 months long and cover most crtiical fields of nursing.
4. Allow nurses to pass a certification to pass Class I drugs so we do not have to call the Doc at 0300 for tylenol and getting a mouth full of ther crap.
This is just a few of the changes that I leave out there to ponder. Please let me know what you think??
If the current conditions do not improve the profession will never attract new nurses becuase it is a looked down uppon.
Ah Ha, Does this sound fimiliar. You know one of my reasons. It seems strange how nurses leave the profession. Espically young nurses.
One would not see other professionls jumping ship such as, lawers, accountants, engineers, etc, etc.
There is something wrong here and is not helping the profession of Nursing it self.
Thanks Acnorn for covering for me.
What brough up this subject was a recent article in the New York Times. They stated that only 12% of all nurses are below the age of thiry. I began thinking, why is there very few nurses entering the profession of nursing? The pay is not bad by all means, one could live comfterably on a nursing salery. Hince more males entering the profession.
Since I graduated in the class of 2000, and being such a new nurse what would swade young men and women from entering the profession. There seems to be an over abundance of applications for other medical professions requiring a 4 year degree. Since we are all nurses we know that the profession is not a glamerous as being a physician or physical therapist. This is due to the nature of of our profession (hint dirty work). I currently work with nurses who say they would not recommend the profession to any relative, nursing has taken a turn for the worse the last 10 years. How about the students who dropped out becuase they thought nurses were very disresptuful to them during clinicals. Two of them now are teachers and love it. Is everyone getting the message?
I would say a majority of students going into clinicals are more than earger to impress. I know there to be a few who are hung over from the night before. This is not an excuse to make it open season for LVN's and Nursing Assistants to dump as much work on you as possible and then complain to other nurses about you.
I thought we were there to learn pt care, and I know some of you will say that is part of pt care. Belive me I know becasue I worked as a Nursing Assistant for a year, but I did not once dump on students. Becuase I knew what it felt like to being new to a hopital settging, for me it was like going to a foriegn country for the first time. The setting it selfe is overwhelming and intimadating.
I not beating up on the profession of nursing. All I am saying if the profession in it self starting with the ANA would make changes to make nursing more applealing, just maybe this would help with the shortage by attracting new blood and new ideas.
For me it felt very fustrating spending 5 years in college ( the only reason it took 5 years because of dule majored) and acquire a student loan up to $50,000 only to be treated as a telemarketer your fisrt day. I was lucky to have the military pay for my BSN, but there are ones that are not so lucky. To me first impressions are everyting, what happend on that first day left bad taste in my mouth
I am the person who treats people like the way I like to be treated and I am also big on respect guy. This is how my family raised me on Texas values. I thought what happed that day was very disrespectful not only to me but to the profession of nursing. And if this has happend to me I garuntee this has happed to a lot other nurses in the USA. I was treated better on my first day of waiting table my freshman year at a local Outback Steakhouse making only $2.50 and hour.
I know a lot of nurses is going to take this advise personal and thing is I am not anti-nursing. To tell the truth if I had to do it again, I would. This might sound suprising to most of you all in Nursing land. One thing I did enjoy while nursing was pt care. I got chace while working a medical surgical unit along with ecperince in the ER to hone my critical thinking skills and fine tune my assessment capabilities. This will pave the road to making me a great provider in the future.
Thanks for everyones two cents, good or bad.
Hey, I want to clear my name. I did not abandone any patients my first night. I did no get report or even touch a patient my first night. My preceptor did not even show up for her shift for some unknow reason. I sat at the nurses station for two hours waiting for the charge nurse to pair me up with someone. When she did, I was never intorduced to the LVN, she went on to give me the charts of the patients and I sat there for another two hours wiating to start. When I asked if I could help with anyting I was told she to busy right now to show me anything. I told the charge nuse you are paying me to do notihing and would be better off starting another. Please do not say I was leaving pts unattended when I was never given any.
I have nothing against nursing. I gave it a shot and was not for me. I went into the professoin with an open mind and open heart. For a profession that is know caring, boy did I see little of that.
I finally found a great Medical Surgical unit and was there for year. I would have 10 to 12 patients at one time and still found time to welcome nursing students, and new nurses to the floor . Becuase I still remember my first day and how fustrating it was.
From reading some of the post a lot of fellow RN's agree with me and it seem to be a growing majority. Belive me I can tollerate a lot, I used the military to pay for my college degree and worked as a CNA for one year. Our attitudes pave the road for future nuses and would benifit the profession we would act professional instead of adolecents.
By the was TEXASSUGAR, where in San Antonio do you work. I currently practice in Texas. I will be applying to University of Texas in San Antionio?
It is great to see that there are RN's out there that had better experinces than me. I looking from the prosepctrive as a professional with a four year degree. Do yo see physicians, pharmisist, physical thearpist treat each other without respect. If they did not I would think that the application process would not be as difficult. There is acutually a waiting list to get into these programs. I don't think it is becasue the money, because nuses make pretty good money. If you are willing to work at least 50 hours a week, one could make at least $80,000 a year.
Nurses get little respect from both physicians and famlies at least what we could do to make the profession a lilttle more attactive to treat each other with respect.
I think that the ANA should icorporate internship programs for all nurses that is 18 months in length. During that time they would do 6 months on a med-surge floor, 4 monts in the ER, 4 months in the OR and 4 months in the ICU. That way most nurses would be profeccient on working any floor and have that great Med-surge base and know how other deparments work. If the profession would just do that with only nurse educators doing the teaching I would think there would be turn around for the better. The only orintation would be just to the floor.
This is my suggestion, I know there are hospitals that do have intership programs, and the lucky few who do get selected usally have easier time with orentitaion. Good luck to all nuses and wish the best for yor all.
I read recently that only 12% of all nurses are under the age of 30. Being a new graduate BSN and practicing nursing for 18 months, I found that statistic pretty horrifying. I have been visiting this site for about three months now and various nurses are trying to find out solutions to the nursing shortage and who to blame.
First off I think nurses need to share some of that blame. Like I said am a new nurse that graduated with my BSN and also with a Business degree. So I am keen to pick up on why things do not work. First off our normal nursing class size usually max out at thirty-five students. Our class started out with 27 students because the program did not receive enough applications to fill the class. During my last two years we lost 5 students out of the program not because of low grade or they failed out, most were top of our class, mostly because of lack of respect they received from nursing instructors and nursing staff at the local hospitals where we did our clinical.
LPN's and Rn's alike would ridicule most of the students. They would openly complain about us to the patients and to staff members alike. During report we would hear the RN's say "al my gosh we have students today, today would be a good day to call in sick". Don't get me wrong there was some educators that did a good gob and greeted us with open arms, but a majority of the time the staff was very disrespectful from RN's to Nursing Assistant's. Most of the teaching came from physicians if we had the opportunity to rounds with.
After graduation I passed my boards on the first try and took a job on a Medical Surgical floor. The first night was highly anticipated and was looking forward to my new career. I reported to the charge nurse who did not expect me and did not know who to put me with. Eventually they put me with a LVN who was very intolerable to teaching others and I seemed like a burden to her. Eventually I just left and told the charge nurse I was very disappointed by the way things was run here and left in middle of my shift.
Eventually I did land a job that did really well in teaching me the ins and outs of nursing. I would actually check on my fellow graduates after a year of last seeing them. One of my fellow students informed me that four other nurses got out of nursing they did not feel safe with the patient load given to them and very little mentoring from senior nurses.
I am 26 years of age, kind of old for a new graduate. I worked in other professions such and engineering as a drafter and sales. Never have I worked in a profession that fellow professionals were so rude and uncaring to each other. I have several friends who are physicians that talked me to going back to school and finish my classes to apply to Medical School, they openly joke about how nurses are very disrespectfully to each other and how senior nurses eat their young.
If the nursing profession were such a great career as most of you described, there would not be a shortage. I agree that that the aging baby boomer poses a challenge and is one of the reasons but I think we need to look in the mirror and accept some of the blame.
So in closing if you get a new graduated in the floor, accept them with open arms instead of treating them like a burden.
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