Medication Administration through a feeding tube

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hi everyone!

this week was my first official med pass as a nursing student! my question regards one of my patients with a feeding tube. first, let me explain to you what happened. in lab we were taught if the patient is on several medications, you need to crush each one separately, put them in individual medicine cups and mix with 15 ml of warm water to let them dissolve. next you need to first flush with 30 ml of water to clear the tube and administer each medication separately, flushing with 15-30 ml of water in between each medication. well, on the first day, i had prepared all of my medications in their individual cups and turned to my instructor and asked her if she was ready to go into the patients room with me to administer the medications (it was my first time and assumed she was going to come with me). she replied "no". fine. i then said ok and explained to her that i have all the medications crushed, in separate cups and that i would administer each one separately with the 15-30 ml of water flush in between. she cut me off and told me not to administer them separately, just mix them all together and administer them all together at once. i was kind of surprised because of all the things we were taught about what could happen if you did not administer each medication separately (clogging the tube, adverse effects from mixing the medications together, etc.) well i did what she told me and put all the crushed medications into one cup and administered them. well yesterday after i finished my pharmacology final, my professor told me she needed to speak to me. apparently, one of my fellow clinical students had told the teacher that i was administering the medications incorrectly and that our clinical instructor was telling me to do so. i had to explain to her the whole situation and tell her other things that the instructor was telling us to do differently (like signing the mar before we give the medications and borrowing medications from other patients) my instructor told me that she was going to have to report this to the program manager and that she will have to make a decision on what happens next. i do not know what is going to happen next and i am horrified that i am going to get kicked out of my program. i feel extremely guilty for not administering the medications in a way that we were taught, but my instructor told me to.

my question to all of you is this: what would you have done? did i do the wrong thing? should i have ignored what my clinical instructor told me to do and administer them separatly like i was taught? how do you administer your medications through a feeding tube? do you administer them all separately? we always hear that what you learn in school will not always apply to the "real world".

thank you all so much for reading this long post and i'm looking forward to hearing your comments, replies and criticisms.

I want to say thank you to everyone again for the advice and comments. I have learned a valuable lesson here and will continue to do things "by the book" while in school. Also, I guess I need to step up and speak my mind when I feel like I need to go against her instuctions. I'm sure you all remember being that timid nursing student! :yeah:

Specializes in Med/Surg.

i'm confused about a couple of things (and consider me playing the devil's advocate here, i won't say either way what i do):

i don't mix the medications together for three reasons:

1. some meds require certain vs parameters (hr and bp being the most common. if i mix that med in with the others and the patient's vs is out of the parameters, i have to throw out all the meds.

wouldn't that easily be solved by checking the vs before preparing any of the meds?

2. i've had patients refuse certain medications when i bring the med to bedside. if the patient refuses a med that i've crushed and mixed, i have to throw them all away.

same as above: let the patient know you are getting meds ready before you do? they can refuse before you've prepared anything, and then you also can ask if there are any prn's they'd like, which would actually save you a trip.

3. i like to double check what meds i am giving right before i give them. if i've mixed the meds, i can't be sure that i have the right dosages. even if i keep the packages, it's not as good as being able to see the actual med and compare it with the mar (what if i dropped a package, etc? and if i crush all the meds and then compare the package with the mar and find a mistake, i have to throw them all out.

once they're crushed, how is having them separate any more accurate in double checking them? the packages are all you have, whether the meds are mixed or not, right? if you check each one against the mar before preparing, that covers this. how is one med crushed in a cup easier to check than two meds crushed in a cup? the package is all that is left.....

for those reasons, i draw up my medications in seperate cups and syringes. but 15 mls of water? no way. 5 mls is all you need.

but even though i don't mix them, i don't administer them seperately. by that i mean, i don't flush in between meds. that negates any reason to separate them in the first place.....that meds mixed together could coagulate, and possibly plug the tube. if they're all going in without flushing in between, that's no different than mixing them before administering? previous posters are correct that they all get mixed in the stomach anyway, so there is no risk of a reaction between medications. also, if a medication is going to clog the tube, it's going to do it whether you give it alone or with other meds. not necessarily. two meds could glob up together if mixed in a cup, without the presence of stomach acid to break them down, so ending up in the stomach together isn't *exactly* the same. definately flush before and after giving the meds, but you don't need 30cc. you only need enough to clear the tube. for most standard g tubes and ng tubes, it's about 5-10cc. less for smaller tubes. i work in peds, and if you are giving several gt meds to an infant or fragile child and you flush in between each med with so much volume, you could give way too much water, throw off a fluid balance, cause gastric distention or vomiting. it's the same in a fluid restricted or cardiac compromised patient.

however, you will find that you will learn many techniques in nursing school that don't carry over to regular practice. learn it the way you were taught and practice those techniques in your clincals. if a nurse of instructor tells you to do it differently, simply say "this is the way we learned in school so i'd like to practice this way." when you start working in the real world, you can learn the tricks of the trade.

Specializes in LTC.

I don't see why following your instructors instructions would be wrong. The school hired your clinical instructor. So if this clinical instructor is not teaching you the way the school wants you to learn then maybe they need to hire a different one. As far as giving meds all at once; that's what we do in the real world. Not unless of course you have to separate the meds that would go in different ports i.e. the patient has a J et G tube. Otherwise we give it all at once. The flush before and after is not 15-30 whatever your school says it is. It should be prescribed by the physician. It could be 60 before and 60 after. I don't see why would be in trouble.

Specializes in Family Practice, ICU.
If I had to give each med separately, and flush after each one, I would be in there all day.

No kidding.

Specializes in Pedi.

I work in pedi. It would be IMPOSSIBLE to flush with 30 cc between each med. Their little stomachs couldn't handle that much volume and then they'd vomit all their meds and we'd be back to step 1. Patients who have G-tubes are usually fairly complicated patients and can be on dozens of meds!

As others have said, the meds are mixed in the stomach anyway. If you have a patient who swallows pills, are you going to give them each pill separately with a drink of water in between? For some, you have to do this because that's all they can swallow but for most patients who are used to taking this many meds, you will hand them a med cup with their 15 pills in it and they will swallow them. I mix all my crushed meds together. If the patient is on a mixture of liquid meds and pills that need to be crushed, I sometimes will use the liquid medication instead of water to dissolve the crushed pills.

As a rule, you are not supposed to crush enteric coated tablets but we do it all the time in pediatrics. Sometimes a new med comes out and it only comes in one formulation. Sometimes the doctors get excited and think that this will finally be the medication to control this child's seizures so they want to try it. A child who is exclusively G-tube dependent and cannot swallow will have to have this med crushed and put down his tube.

It's not practical to do it the way described in the OP... especially not in pediatrics. For some patients (children and I imagine some geri patients as well), the less time you spend messing with their tubes, the better.

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