MANE BSN program feeling duped

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by Garagegeek21 Garagegeek21 (New) New

Does anyone else who is currently in the MANE BSN at Metro State feel just as stressed?

Just for the record, I am a good student who does not mind working hard. I am currently in the BSN portion of the MANE program. I am seriously feeling like students were duped into thinking this was going to be an amazing RN to BSN transition. The ADN portion was very hard but had amazing instructors. The BSN at metro state on the other hand is absolutely horrible and I think it's because of the instructors.

The instructions for assignments are confusing and all the courses are not organized. Instructors are more interested in throwing around their titles than instructing. An example of this: after multiple students asked the instructor for clearer instructions and were not given any, more than half the students did horribly on a project. Instead of taking responsibility for her poor instructions she states that the entire class turned in the worse work she has ever seen.

It is not just one instructor or one cohort. I have spoke with multiple students from different cohorts who have different instructors and they are stating these same things are happening in their courses as well. One student in a different cohort told me that her instructor told the class that Metro students are lucky they have public health nurses as instructors. One of my instructor said the exact same thing. Your title does not determine if you are a good instructor or not. I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT RECCOMEND THE BSN PORTION of the MANE PROGRAM for RN students.

HouTx, BSN, MSN, EdD

Specializes in Critical Care, Education. Has 35 years experience. 9,051 Posts

So sorry you are having such a bad experience. IMO, it could be attributed to poorly prepared instructors. Everyone (even, it seems - Deans of nursing schools) tends to forget that *Education* is a completely separate and distinct discipline. A professional degree (e.g., MSN, DNP) does NOT include the skills and knowledge to function effectively as an educator.

The shortage of qualified faculty is pushing many nursing schools into the same 'warm body' syndrome that we've seen in clinical nursing .... hiring anyone who has the minimum required credentials. Most traditional, well regarded programs still have training and orientation for new faculty that includes quite a lot of ongoing staff development but even they may not be offering the same support for the increasing numbers of adjunct faculty. Commercial schools (for profit, investor owned) spend more on advertising and recruitment than faculty salaries... and rarely provide any type of faculty development.

I wish I had words of wisdom for you, but I can't think of anything that would make a difference. Hang in there, keep your head down and focus on one step at a time. This too shall pass.

ohsosarah20

ohsosarah20, BSN

Has 3 years experience. 14 Posts

YES!!!!!!! I'm feeling terrible about my choice. I didn't so much like the first half of the MANE program (it was disorganized and I felt it could have been better, but I did pass NCLEX on the first try so that's a plus...!). I'm annoyed that it was made to seem as if we could be working nursing as do this program. I took a semester off and am currently in MANE 6 and I'm transferring out if I can. I can't take it. It's unreal. Unorganized, too much crap, no one wants to budge or work with you and a work schedule. It's no longer an issue of it's new (at least for me)... this is the 3rd go around now. Absolutely ridiculous. I'm so thankful for the program as it blessed me with an RN degree, but I can't continue on...I'm disappointed to say the least.

Happyfeet34

Happyfeet34

1 Post

Worst school ever!

haru0005

haru0005

Has <1 years experience. 7 Posts

This program is unreal. I feel completely cheated. They made it sound like it was a RN to Bsn completion program and the amount of clinical hours are unreasonable for a new grad learning a new job. It was advertised like it was an easy gateway but I also do not recommend this program if you have your RN and need a BSN. I am going to Concordia next semester it seems to have pretty good reviews. At Concordia each class is 7 weeks and field study is within your work place, and there is also no STATS required and no extra electives required. Anybody that transfers gets a 2000 transfer scholarship. I did my first semester at Metro and I am jumping ship!!!

AAZ319

AAZ319

28 Posts

So glad I ran into this. I applied for the MANE program for the spring and expect to get in. I was unsure about the whole metro state thing and plan to do an rn to BSN program from St. Cloud bc I o figures they are just money grubbing and it's an easy way to get students bc of the dual enrollment. So annoying that they are taking advantage like that!

ohsosarah20

ohsosarah20, BSN

Has 3 years experience. 14 Posts

That's really awesome to hear! Just work hard and make sure you understand all the aspects of the program while you are in it. The nursing portion wasn't the main issues, at least for me, it was a lot of the side stuff like finances, program requirements, clinical expectations, and more. I really truely don't recall all the details anymore since it's been over 2 years now, but I do know that certain things I was told were not what actually happened. I was also the second group to ever go through it so there were lots of kinks to work out! I did my BSN at Capella on like via FlexPath and although I forwent the PHN cert, I'm so happy with my choice to continue with them!

MNRN95

MNRN95

1 Post

I am glad I found this forum and do not feel alone. I ended up dropping the MANE program during the 2nd semester of the BSN metro portion because that program is NOT designed for working RN's. The amount of time they expect you to set aside for clinicals, projects, assignments, group meetings, labs (I could go on and on) was ridiculous for any already working RN. They made it seem like it was a program that you could easily work as an new grad RN and still go to school, but it required just as much sacrifice (if not more) than the ADN portion. I remember one of the instructors mentioned that "no matter what program you choose it will be just as hard as this one so you might as well stick with us" to our class. But after doing research I see that other schools in the twin cities area do recognize that not every working RN can sacrifice work hours and create their programs with flexibility for those working nurses.

With that said, I've narrowed down my next options to Concordia and St.Scholastica. Concordia's program seems the best bet. From my understanding/research, you take 1 class at a time and each class is 7 weeks long. No tests or quizzes, and you have a discussion post due each wednesday and a assignment due each saturday (pretty reasonable and organized to me). On top of that, your job counts as your clinicals, which was the biggest perk of all to me so I do not have to sacrifice work hours/take time off for outside clinical. The only concern I have yet to find out is if my credits transfer so I dont have to take some classes at concordia and if they are public health certified like metro. St.Scholastica will take about 80% of my transfer credits, which is a huge perk of that school as well (keep in mind ive completed 6 classes at metro already so transferring credits is a huge factor in my decisions).

If anyone is reading this and is either in the MANE rn-bsn program and struggling, or is planning on going to the MANE program I highly recommend looking elsewhere. There were some people in my cohort (very few) who did manage to work and make it through metros program, so I'm not saying it's impossible, but it was way more difficulty than it should have been. I loved the MANE ADN program, but the RN to BSN to me was a joke.

An5985

An5985

20 Posts

Hi, I’m very grateful that there are nurses on this site that have gone through the MANE program.

I am intending on applying to the MANE program for the fall of 2020. However I’ve heard so many mixed experiences with the ADN portion of MANE, mostly bad but finding a FEW people to say good things. I work in construction and make really good money but I don’t want to be in it for the rest of my life (I’m 34). I feel terrified to be in the program because I hear so many people fair or drop out and I can’t afford it to be me. I’ll have bills plus a mortgage payment and plan on not working since I hear that is what hurts many people, I’m single so no one else to help me.

Since you said you loved the ADN portion, can you elaborate why you loved it, how the program is set up, what school you went to, why people failed/dropped out, how easy it was to get a full-time job after graduating sInce I’ll be supporting myself. I want as much info to help me determine that I’m making the right choice!

thanks

andrea