New LPN and no jobs available. - page 5
I live in Tulsa and just received my license 2 weeks ago. The hospitals around here are not hiring LPNs but they were when I started school. I'm a nurse tech at my hospital and human resources wants... Read More
Sep 29, '04Joined: Sep '04; Posts: 61; Likes: 5Hi Ladybay
Boy, am I glad you have been writing in here, I can relate totally to your situation as a new LPN grad. This experience has been sooooo disappointing and I, too, cannot move out of the area. (I can however apply for reciprocity in a border state and try to work at a small rural hospital about a half hour from here. But the pickings are slim in both states). In the meantime, I can't mess around any longer looking - I might have to take a ltc position for income and it is not what I want to do at all, despite all the talk that it could be good for me, etc. I too have been shocked by the reality that LPN's just aren't treated the same professionally. I fell into the same line of thinking that you did about LPN being a good way to get into nursing (my first mistake) and did a majority of my clinical at two local hospitals while in school. When I graduated with honors and passed the board, I went to apply for jobs at my clinical sites and the recruiters just handed my resume. The hospitals had let go of LPN's they had already on staff, and they weren't about take a new LPN grad in, period. Everywhere I have gone since, including the docs offices, clinics, agencies and homecare have given me the same answer: You need a RN and/or at the very least, one year of med-surg. (I completed 800 hours of clinical on two med surg floors, but that hasn't been enought to make a sale. I'm at my financial wits end and to top it off my husband had an accident that has left him on disability which is half his normal income. Attend RN school now? First of all, the idea really ticks me off after going thru what I've been thru and secondly I don't see how - we're close to bankruptcy. Hopefully I can find something to hold us over for a year or two and my husband willl get better and be back to work in a few months. The thought of LTC being my ONLY career option after all my hard work just makes my heart ache. Please keep me advised on how things are on your end. My other classmates are just as disheartened - many have taken LTC jobs and are tired, overworked and frustrated. Many are on their second LTC job, having only lasted a few weeks at the first facility because the lack of orientation and the ratio of patients to nurses (60 to one on the night shift.) Those like me who wanted to be exposed to the acute care side of things are looking into additinal schooling - others have given up altogether and have gone back to EMT or MA or phlebotomy. (the ones I know of.) I'm not sure if the grass is greener elsewhere but it sure ain't here. Please let me know how you resolve things. Anyone considering an LPN program, think again. You have no idea how much you are about to be misled.
Sep 30, '04Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 9As far as I'm concerned, LPN schools and programs should be done away with so that people will know they don't even have that option. Why put yourself through such rigorous education and not get anything for it afterall.I too am a new grad who has gone through the whole "not hiring LPN thing" in acute care settings. My situation is even worse because here in the Northeast even the LTC facilities have a problem hiring new grads. I'm basically left with no option but to go back for my RN sooner than I thought. Good luck to everyone.
Oct 1, '04Joined: Sep '04; Posts: 61; Likes: 5Man, thanks for championing the use of LPNs where you work. Here in the Northeast the LPNs have been thrown to the wolves. (actually, the nursing homes). Wish you were up here to crack a few skulls together!Last edit by VickyRN on Oct 3, '04 : Reason: TOS VIOLATION in quoted post
Oct 2, '04Occupation: ER/Trauma Nurse Joined: Sep '04; Posts: 17Quote from JustmeandmycatYour very welcome. I think LPN's are there to help me and they should be treated just as equally as the RN's. I dont care if you cant do initial assesments. Heck its not a problem for me I usually do the initial assesments and then just hand them back off to the LPN's. Infact I let the pn's do alot for me. Your there to help take the load off of me.Man, thanks for championing the use of LPNs where you work. Here in the Northeast the LPNs have been thrown to the wolves. (actually, the nursing homes). Wish you were up here to crack a few skulls together!
Oct 3, '04Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 161I am so sad to hear, as a former LPN myself, that this type of thing is going on today and people are being recruited into LPN school without receiving truthful accounts of their job prospects in their area. I guess it is imperative people do their research today, as not all areas utilize LPN's like they should.
In Texas, there are still SOME opportunities in acute care for LPN's, but I've watched them dwindle in the past few years...many facilities choose to staff with RN's, PCT's and NA's on a team now and have eliminated LPN's, sadly.
On another thread we discussed this issue as well. Hopefully this is a reversible trend but with today's legalities, perhaps not.
Perhaps part of the reason behind this trend is RN's may prefer to work with other RN's today. Let me shed some light on this to LPN's who may not understand. It is not because we don't value LPN's, it is because of facility's unresponsiveness.
Understaffing issues/liability can create an undue burden for RN's working with LPN's in today's hectic workplace. I have been in this type unsupportive, poorly planned setting and it isn't any fun. I will likely have my own full load, equivalent to the LPN in numbers, they are likely more complex, PLUS I may have to do all the orders, call all the docs, do all her asessments and IV's etc. The liability can easily skyrocket, and those of you who work acute care can relate I'm sure.
Team nursing works well if its done right, but too many facilities won't staff appropriately today will they? And it is sad because I know it can be done right. if there really WAS a 'nurse shortage' as healthcare facilities claim, I would think they would be grateful to hire a nurse period, LPN or RN, and would find a workable system to employ good nurses of all types.
But...not all facilities are in the market for just 'any' nurse...they seem to be looking for that perfect, 'plug and play' nurse who has exactly what they are looking for.
I can sure relate to spending time and $$ in school and then be unable to find a job. Not a good feeling...and hope something opens up soon for the OP. Have you considered seeking a job with an acute facility with the goal being working on your ADN through Excelsior at your own pace? I work with lots of LPN's who are doing this...facilities like to hire students and frequently help with tuition reimbursement.
If you enjoy nursing this might be a way to get your foot in the door with acute facilities, keep some income coming in, etc.
If you can't find a LPN position, perhaps a secretarial or monitor tech position? Good luck...I am a former LPN who worked herself through RN school for more job opportunities. I wish you well and hope you find something workable for you and your family.
Oct 4, '04Joined: Sep '04; Posts: 61; Likes: 5Hi Matt's Mom: Thanks for writing in and for your suggestions. I've scanned the message boards and I've read your responses to others and you seem like a genuinely nice person. Really. Thank you for coming from a good spot in your soul. I have sort of figured out along the way the reasons why the hospitals in my area are reluctant to hire lpns, and your explanation of the the additional duties RNs have to assume when an LPN comes on staff confirms things. I don't take things personally. I'm pretty objective, actually. So I can see why an LPN would be percieved as a hindrance, rather than a badly needed pair of hands during a nursing crisis. So be it. Where I live, the hospitals ripped the rug right out from under LPNs when I graduated - we were there just long enough at our hospital clinical sites to help out on the floor while the administration was busy laying off their current LPNs. Then they turned around to recruit RN nursing students from a local RN school through a "new and promising affiliation between institutions" . Of course, no one told us any of this. We were too busy trying to keep our heads above water until graduation - we weren't necessarily watching the insider newsletters and PR releases in the newspaper. To put it in a nutshell, we got played. For my classmates who wanted to enter the nursing homes, they didn't perceive the problem. But now that some of them have lifted their heads out of the sand to look at other options, they are discovering what I already have: LPN in these parts doesn't give you any. I ,for one, am chalking up my whole LPN license to experience and am striking out in a new direction. I have decided to pick up other skills- phlebotomy, EKG, EMT, anything else that will give me additional skills and income. In the meantime, my squeaky clean LPN license is going on the backburner while I knock off my Excelsior classes. ( I need three prereqs and 7 nursing courses) and then I'll have the RN BSN, not just an ADN. I figure it will run around $15,000, the cost of a car, but at least it will be a car (degree) that is "acceptable" in acute care. I had a roommate once from India who told me "Bitten once by a dog, blame the dog. Bitten twice, blame yourself. " I won't blame my LPN school for misleading me - in some states LPN might still be a good thing. I'll still give it the benefit of the doubt. And heck, if you want to work in a nursing home, LPN is great preparation. It's just the environment for job opportunities changed and I didn't monitor it the way I should have and looked out for myself. That's the only mistake I made. Lesson learned. But to think I actually believed my LPN school admissions person and instructors! Oh, God, I laugh at it all now. I must have looked like Private Benjamin looking for the army's condos and yachts and being puzzled not to find any! Okay, okay, the joke's over. The laugh is on me. Alright, everyone, get back to work now. There's a nursing shortage, remember? Maybe the hospitals and some insecure RNs don't get that point. But I'll be back alongside you in two years as an equal. And with quite a few other skills to boot in case a BSN, some day, isn't good enough either. See y'all in 2006.
Oct 13, '04Occupation: LTC Specialty: 9 year(s) of experience ; Joined: May '04; Posts: 3,422; Likes: 1,298Quote from FROGGYLEGSFurthermore, don't knock the nursing home too bad. The nursing homes pay a lot better than the hospitals, for one thing. I gave up my job after four years of working at a particular nursing home and wish I could get my job back (they have a surplus of nurses now, but everyone in the business knows how those cycles go).You took the words right out of my mouth. Wound care can be an entire specialty...WOC nurse. I'd love to do it myself.
Maybe you can check into it to see what the wound care job entails. It may be more interesting than what you think.
Good luck to you
I can't find a job anywhere right now. I was pretty upset today because I drove around collecting newspapers from all the surrounding towns and the ratio of RN to LPN openings was like 10:1 It was pretty upsetting to think of the year of agony and hard work and time I spent away from my two babies and how my diploma didn't seem to hardly be worth the paper it was printed on.
If the health care industry wants to move away from LPN's why the h^%% don't they start closing down the LPN programs?
Now, I get to look forward to more school, it is obvious your choices are very limited when you are an LPN. I do have to say that the director of the LPN program *did* inform us up front that our best chances for employment would be in a nursing home. Most of us were so strapped for money we didn't even care at the time. My complaint isn't so much that the nursing home is the only place to work, but the nursing homes are not even hiring anymore. I've noticed on the nurse license registry there are hoards of LPN's awaiting results for their NCLEX...more LPN's flooding a market where they are no longer needed....sad.Last edit by Jo Dirt on Oct 13, '04
Oct 13, '04Occupation: LTC Specialty: 9 year(s) of experience ; Joined: May '04; Posts: 3,422; Likes: 1,298Quote from JustmeandmycatExcelsior no longer accepts LPN's for their BSN program.In the meantime, my squeaky clean LPN license is going on the backburner while I knock off my Excelsior classes. ( I need three prereqs and 7 nursing courses) and then I'll have the RN BSN, not just an ADN. I figure it will run around $15,000, the cost of a car, but at least it will be a car (degree) that is "acceptable"case a BSN, some day, isn't good enough either. See y'all in 2006.
Oct 13, '04Occupation: LTC Specialty: 9 year(s) of experience ; Joined: May '04; Posts: 3,422; Likes: 1,298Folks, if you are considering an LPN program I'm sure you are hearing from the school about the wonderful opportunities for "nurses" in this country. How the jobs will await you wherever you go. Well, just be aware that is not necessarily so. Don't let them give you any illusions that you will be working in a hospital, let alone a specialty like OB or peds.. People may tell you it is worth becoming an LPN *first* to see if you even like nursing enough to invest the time in an RN program. This is good advice for people who want to make a career out of going to school, but for people who are there because they need to be fairly sure of gainful employment from their efforts this is bad advice. If you can spend a year in an LPN program it is worth the extra year to get an ADN or a diploma so you can at least get a job! I say there should be a petition to shut down the LPN programs. The places that do hire LPN's (like nursing homes) want to pay LPN salaries for RN type duties and responsibilities.
When I chose to go to LPN school it was solely because the LPN program was 45 minutes away as opposed to 2 1/2 hrs. to the nearest ADN school (I was ready to take the plunge but DH wouldn't hear of it).
So, here I am, four years after getting my LPN license. I was lucky to find a job (though it was 45 minutes away) at a LTC facility. I make $2.50/hr more than when I first started working there, barely cost of living raise if even that. And I am taking steps back...here I go again...having to basically redo what I should have done right in the first place: going to get my RN diploma.
Please make sure your school is giving you the real dope about where your LPN diploma will likely take you (which is nowhere).:stone
Oct 13, '04Occupation: BSN, RN Specialty: 20 year(s) of experience ; From: GA, US ; Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 210; Likes: 99I have to say, reading most of these posts has made me a little angry. :angryfire I have been an LPN for 10 years and have worked in a wide variety of settings including acute care, public health, education, and office nursing- never in LTC. I agree that LPN jobs are not as numerous as they were, and I have even thought of going back to school to get my RN. I think the reason that LPN's aren't valued is because so manyof us (as evidenced by comments on this thread) don't value ourselves. If we think our License is worthless, why would anyone else think differently? It is possible to find a good job as an LPN, ma not be easy but it is possible. Get involved with the national and local LPN organizations to change how an LPN is looked at. Be proactive, we all worked darned hard to get where we are and shouldn't be told that our only option is to go back to school to be an RN. I wish all of you who are struggling luck, but I think we as LPN's need to show that we are nurses and do have value, because if we don't no one else is going to!
Oct 13, '04Occupation: Nurse Consultant to a government agency Joined: Apr '03; Posts: 1,052; Likes: 806If I remember correctly, the original poster said she was disappointed that she couldn't get a hospital job. It might be a regional thing but the hospitals in my area don't hire LPNs at all. However a look at today's paper shows that MD offices do as well as insurance companies, our prisons, the school for the deaf in addition to LTC.
There are opportunities. Sometimes not every region has every option. Best wishes to all who are hunting for a good nursing job.
Oct 13, '04Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 9,601; Likes: 3,188sometimes you have to make the best of a bad situation...no new graduate is worth much when they first get out of school and maybe the hospitals can charge more if they are "all rn"
but to say that ltc residents do not deserve good care or that you are so good that you can't learn anything from ltc work is a bit much
look at it this way..if you were an employer would you hire you? get some experience anyway that you can...if you decide to go back to school it will be a valuable boost up for you...i hope that you find what you are looking for
Oct 13, '04Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 61; Likes: 6There is a 100% employment rate for both RN's & LPN's in Alberta..... The pay is great, if you don't mind living in rural areas.