Im planning on to transfer my credits from Kalamazoo CC to Kellogg for nursing. I wont be on the ready list until May it looks like! Does, anyone know how long the wait list right now is? Im planning on doing Part-Time. I have to because Im a single-mom and have to work full-time.. if you coule let me know that would be great. I here it's one of the shortest around West Michigan. KVCC's it ridiculous, let me know!!! Thanks, it would be greatly appreciated!
I spoke with another Nursing student at Kellogg yesterday and she said the same thing. Unfortunately, right after I was sent an email telling me my application was complete I was sent another one telling me she didn't look at it correctly and that it was not. They require the ASSET test (for reading comprehension) and I took the COMPASS test several years ago. Although I was previously told the COMPASS was sufficient, it apparently is not. I'm pretty upset that I can't apply until April now for Fall 2011 because of a reading test that I, in a sense, already took. My plan is to focus on getting into Western's program for now since I can start before Kellogg and be done at the same time, but have a bachelor's degree instead!
Specializes in Cardio-Pulmonary; Med-Surg; Private Duty.
I first looked into the program at KCC in the summer of 2008. Because of my ACT scores from 20+ years ago, I didn't have to take any other testing. They also accepted my high school BIO and CHEM grades, so the only classes I had to take in order to complete my file were Anatomy and Physiology.
I took Anatomy in the fall of 2008 and Physiology in the spring of 2009 and applied immediately after that. Technically my application was part of the January 2010 group of applications (because the program was already filled up for Sept 2009 at the time I applied in May 2009). I start the nursing program in September 2010 -- basically one year (summer doesn't count! ) from when I completed my pre-reqs.
And unless they've finalized the "competition" angle, there is no benefit to having all A grades over all B- grades -- they've been going simply on the date you applied (and you can't apply until you've completed your pre-req courses), so your best bet is to apply on the day that your instructor posts your final grade for your last pre-req class. I've heard that they're going to be putting some sort of grading/competition criteria into the acceptance policy, but so far I've not seen anything in writing that indicates this has been done.
Specializes in Cardio-Pulmonary; Med-Surg; Private Duty.
I spoke with another Nursing student at Kellogg yesterday and she said the same thing. Unfortunately, right after I was sent an email telling me my application was complete I was sent another one telling me she didn't look at it correctly and that it was not. They require the ASSET test (for reading comprehension) and I took the COMPASS test several years ago. Although I was previously told the COMPASS was sufficient, it apparently is not. I'm pretty upset that I can't apply until April now for Fall 2011 because of a reading test that I, in a sense, already took. My plan is to focus on getting into Western's program for now since I can start before Kellogg and be done at the same time, but have a bachelor's degree instead!
There was a two month waiting list just to take the ASSET test???? That doesn't sound right to me....
They have the classes up for fall (in Kris) if you guys are interested at looking at them. It appears that they are planning on adding around 16-32 extra students which would bring it up to 144-160 admissions. I have also heard that they are looking at increasing the admission requirements for 2011 or 2012. If they do it like they did in 2007 they will grandfather everyone in, that has a completed application, even if they do not qualify by the new requirements. However, if you have not applied and thus slotted, you will be out of luck.
Lastly, the new catalog is up and they say that they have added competitive to the program this year. It apparently will require the "teas" test starting next year.
Specializes in Cardio-Pulmonary; Med-Surg; Private Duty.
They have the classes up for fall (in Kris) if you guys are interested at looking at them. It appears that they are planning on adding around 16-32 extra students which would bring it up to 144-160 admissions. I have also heard that they are looking at increasing the admission requirements for 2011 or 2012. If they do it like they did in 2007 they will grandfather everyone in, that has a completed application, even if they do not qualify by the new requirements. However, if you have not applied and thus slotted, you will be out of luck.
Lastly, the new catalog is up and they say that they have added competitive to the program this year. It apparently will require the "teas" test starting next year.
Looks like the TEAS and other competitive factors are ONLY being applied to the "added" positions, at least so far.
Admission Requirements for Competitive Positions
The number of students admitted to the Nursing program has been expanded beginning in 2010. To be considered for these
added positions, candidates must meet the minimum requirements listed above. The positions will be allocated to candidates based on the candidates' performance in these areas:
* TEAS test score
* Grades in prerequisite courses
* Grades in required general education courses
The way I read it, everyone can put their name on the regular list and wait their turn, but there will ALSO be X number of extra positions that you can qualify for based on academics alone, allowing the highest-scorers to cut in line without actually having them cut in line.
Because these are ADDED positions that are competitive, nobody will be bumped down the list just because the Competitors manage to get in this year.
As for increasing the requirements, they don't appear to be looking into it yet (maybe 2012, but not 2011):
2011-2012 admission requirements for both the full- and part-time options of the Nursing Laddered program are as follows:
1. Documentation of a composite ACT score of 19 or higher or the equivalent SAT score, or COMPASS reading score of 78 or higher, (waived for applicants who provide official documentation of a degree from an accredited college).
2. Grade point average of 2.5 or higher at each institution.
3. Prerequisite courses with grade of "B-" (2.67) or higher:
* Chemistry 100 or equivalent, or higher level chemistry course
* Mathematics 101 or equivalent, or higher, or COMPASS algebra score of 40 or higher
4. Prerequisite college courses with grades of "B-" (2.67) or higher:
* Biology 201 or equivalent, and completed within six years prior to admittance to the program
* Biology 202 or equivalent, and completed within six years prior to admittance to the program
Personally, I think that offering both "competitive" and "chronological" positions is a good way for the administration to go. As a community college, I think they shouldn't be going completely competitive like most BSN programs are these days -- they should serve the entire community. But on the other hand, the people who have high potential for successfully completing the program (high academic achievers), shouldn't be forced to sit idle for a couple of years waiting for their spot to come up. If they were going to a 4-yr program, they would have gotten in right away (once pre-reqs were completed, obviously), so denying them immediate admittance to the community college program would be like discriminating against them for not being able to afford the 4-yr tuition. The combination method of admissions seems to be an excellent compromise.
Yup, right now it is only for the competitive spots. Sorry if I wasn't clear on what I was saying.
As far as them changing requirements; I believe they did that after the printing of the catalog back in 2007. However, those were major changes, and they honestly needed to do them to convert the program to a laddered program. So I do not foresee them doing that again.
The laddered program started in 2008 and we are the second full-time class going through it. The problem is we still had about a 20-25% failure rate the first semester. My guess is they are looking at making the teas part of the 2012-2013 general admissions requirements. In hopes of reducing the failure rate, and also because they have raised the difficulty of the NCLEX exam.
Specializes in Cardio-Pulmonary; Med-Surg; Private Duty.
I was amazed to read that they only required a minimum ACT composite of 19 and a GPA of 2.5 for admission.
Just reading threads on this forum tells you that surviving nursing school is NOT for the faint-of-heart. All the BSN programs are competitive, and I've read all these posts about how having a 3.6 GPA won't be good enough to get you into the program in the first place, and even the folks with the 3.7+ GPA have to work their butts off just to keep from failing out because of how much material you have to know. So it's not surprising at all to hear that folks who couldn't even maintain a 3.0 in their general coursework are flunking your program.
Do you know, are the people in the program with you now the ones that had to meet the B- grade and 2.5 GPA requirements, or were they grandfathered in from the previous system?
Talking with some of the teachers they try to keep the admission requirements to a level that will allow the widest range of entrants as possible. However, the drop/fail rate is higher than they would like for the new program. Some of this will get better as the teachers have more experience with the curriculum, but they also are looking at raising the admission requirements to reduce this failure rate.
Almost all of my classmates are from the current requirements, maybe a few of them were readmitted under the old requirements. However, a lot of people with a 3.75+ almost failed, and some did fail. A lot of it has to do with the teachers style versus your own style. If you have any questions you can PM me, as I cannot go into it any further as it would violate the sites terms of use. That being not discussing individuals by name or significant identifiers.
) from when I completed my pre-reqs. 
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I spoke with another Nursing student at Kellogg yesterday and she said the same thing. Unfortunately, right after I was sent an email telling me my application was complete I was sent another one telling me she didn't look at it correctly and that it was not. They require the ASSET test (for reading comprehension) and I took the COMPASS test several years ago. Although I was previously told the COMPASS was sufficient, it apparently is not. I'm pretty upset that I can't apply until April now for Fall 2011 because of a reading test that I, in a sense, already took. My plan is to focus on getting into Western's program for now since I can start before Kellogg and be done at the same time, but have a bachelor's degree instead!