Job/salary outlook for CRNAs in 2014?

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Hi,

My name is Henry, and this fall I'll be an entering college freshman. I'm contemplating whether to go for a BSN or take the pre-medical route. Lifestyle comfortability is important to me -- besides an interest in actual physician/CRNA work, doctors' salaries have always been attractive to me. However, physician salaries (at least, those of general/family practitioners) have fallen in recent years, while the salaries of CRNAs have risen.

To be honest, I'm not excited about taking pre-medical courses in college -- biology is okay, but all the intensive chemistry and math makes me dread college (BSN students at my school only take Survey of Chemistry courses). On the other hand, I find nursing classes dealing with biology, health science, anatomy, ethics, pharmacology, etc. interesting (I took an intro to nursing course during my senior year of highschool that can be submitted for college credit and found the course material enjoyable).

In my mid-sized city (200,000 pop. est.), hospitals/private clinics are currently offering $120k-$130k (public hospitals) and $150-$170k (private health care) as starting salaries. I won't beat around the bush -- these figures are attractive (hehe, "figures - attractive"...er, ahem).

However, I graduate college in 2010 and would be entering a CRNA program in 2012 (after the mandatory year of ICU practice); subsequently, I would begin work as a CRNA in 2014. I'm unsure of job/salary outlook forecasts this far in to the future (I've read that 6,000 CRNAs will be needed by 2010). Is the myriad of jobs and high salaries predicted to remain steady into the distant future? Or, after the shortage of CRNAs is satisfied, will salaries likely drop below the $100k level?

Any advice/insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again,

Henry

Wait -- you have to take organic chemistry for most CRNA schools? So my school's nursing BSN won't be sufficient?

I'm confused -- I thought a BSN program outlined your entire college schedule, so how would I take gen. chem/organic chem. there?

Here's the BSN program at my school:

http://nursing.colstate.edu/Nursing%20Curriculum/BSNDegreeSchemaTrad05.pdf

My school has a reputation as a good nursing school. Does this mean I'll have to sign up to take gen. chem. 1 & 2 and organic chem. at a community college? Because I don't see how I'd be able to take it during nursing school...

(By the way: the chemistry classes on that schedule are survey courses)

Well, I have to take introductory statistics in the BSN program anyways, so that won't be a problem.

But would CRNA schools accept community college courses for pre-reqs? I thought about taking them (both general chems, organic chem, biochem) during the summer, when I'm not busy with the BSN courses.

Realistically, how many years would I need to work in the ICU before I could be accepted to a CRNA program (if one year most likely isn't sufficient)?

Well, I have to take introductory statistics in the BSN program anyways, so that won't be a problem.

But would CRNA schools accept community college courses for pre-reqs? I thought about taking them (both general chems, organic chem, biochem) during the summer, when I'm not busy with the BSN courses.

Realistically, how many years would I need to work in the ICU before I could be accepted to a CRNA program (if one year most likely isn't sufficient)?

Depending on the school, you might have to take a higher level stats class, and community college is not a problem. You just have to get the grade. Typically CRNA students have 3-5 years of ICU under their belt.

Hmmm...I was hoping to be able to be able to get in with just a single year of ICU work. Will this not be feasible by the time I'd be applying to CRNA school (around 2012)?

It is feasible, and yes, there are CRNAs who were admitted with 1+ year of experience. But committees often look for the best, brightest and most experienced to fill their limited positions. Experience, for me, is the most important criteria when I assess a candidate's application. With all things being equal, ie...GPAs, motivation, college tests, etc..I tend to rank someone with 1 yr experience lower than a someone with more time in the field. Critical decision making is best acquired with experience, not on the job training.

Maybe an Anesthesiologist Assistant course would be more of what I'm looking for (I'd like to continue with schooling right out of college, if possible).

In the event that I choose to be an AA instead of a CRNA, would it even make sense to get a BSN? Do competitive AA applicants usually have some other sort of science degree? The only reason I could see to earn a BSN (in this case) would be to leave my option open to go the CRNA route, as well. But, I wonder if it just makes more sense to major in biology and take the pre-med classes...

I was just looking at my local community college's website, and these are the classes they list for chemistry: College Chemistry 1, another College Chemistry 1, and Organic Chemistry 1 (of course, this is just for the fall semester).

Does anyone know if these are the same classes as Principles of Chemistry and Organic Chemistry, or are they just Survey courses? For reference, here's the PDF (scroll to page 12): http://www.cv.edu/classes/pdf/2006/FA2006.pdf

AA is a nice profession but CRNA's have much more autonomy. There are several states where AA can't even practice.

Here is an excellent little thread that gathered some stats for people who got accepted into CRNA school. The average GPA, GRE, work experience is less than you may think.

https://allnurses.com/forums/f16/successful-crna-students-consider-listing-your-school-gpa-experience-gre-et-111655.html

I believe a high GPA, test scores, and some minor EC activity will look very favorable for a candidate with only 1 year experience or even less. You can apply before you have a year of experience which makes me believe that schools are willing to admit candidates with the minimum "acute care" experience if they feel the person is otherwise very compeitive.

Some will take offense to this, but I believe the pool of CRNA candidates is much less competitive academically than say a population of medical students. So what levels the field for RN's with poor GPA's and test scores is experience. I think a motivated student can tip the scales back in his favor with a combination of grades and ECs that scream "high achiever"

Henry,

I'm sure other people have stressed this, but you do realize you will very likely HAVE TO take chemistry (in some cases general, some cases organic, some cases biochem, and in some cases, ALL THREE), statistics, and physics on top of your nursing school requirements to meet the entrance requirements for CRNA schoool...the minimum requirements for your BSN won't be sufficient to get you into most CRNA schools (and as a side not if you tend to be a person who does the minimum to get by academically, reconsider both nursing school in general and CRNA school - this is not a profession in which you can get by with the bare minimum of effort, intelligence, common sense or skills, not to mention will power and a hell of a strong stomach).

Check out the AANA website for a complete list of CRNA programs, the websites for which will list their requirements. True that some programs don't list any science prereqs, so in rare cases it may not be necessary to take these classes, but you may find anesthesia school a lot harder for it.

My advice (as someone who's now doing refreshers/science prereqs in prep for applications next year): if you're sure you want to go straight for CRNA school after you get the required experience in nursing, take the time to complete the requirements for CRNA school now, and do well in them. You likely won't be able to do them during your requisite year in ICU as a nurse...you'll be busy taking a critical care course and doing several months of orientation, during which time for study not related to work may not be possible. This way you'll have your classes completed ahead of time and will have time to do the GRE and possibily CCRN after you get off orientation at work.

All that said, remember that you might hate nursing school and decide the profession is far from what you're looking for...go to a movie or something, and enjoy the time before you start college. Take it from someone who's as neurotic as they come, stressing yourself out about something that's 6 years in the future may detract from your life in the time until you get there. Relax and push your neuroses to the back of your mind. You'll realize the things you're most interested in (CRNA may NOT be one of them) along the way and find ways to steer yourself on the right path to get where you want to be. :) Enjoy!

Yeah, that bombshell (the CRNA pre-reqs) hit me earlier today. If community college is acceptable to CRNA/AA schools, I'd like to take the pre-med courses during my spare time (probably May/summer) at a CC. I was just trying to figure out if the chem. classes at the local CC were "real" (not survey) courses (scroll to page 12):

http://www.cv.edu/classes/pdf/2006/FA2006.pdf

Specializes in Critical Care, Emergency.

henry, henry, henry - -

i hate to sound like a whatever.. but is this thread for real? doesn't sound to me like u have a clue (no offense) to what it is u even want to do... all of the explanations and the like, don't even seem to soak in.. questions are repeated as if one is not even listening to the, ahem, "experts" in the field of crna hopefuls.. again, i am not trying to belittle anything or anyone, but i don't think i can even continue to read this thread without shaking my head.. some words of advice henry: fully investigate the two professions u continue to inquire about. also, realize that there is more to it than monetary gain (b/c u will have much monetary loss before the gain....) and another thing: whatever route u plan to take, always challenge urself.. it only makes u better in many ways.. !!!!!! otherwise, go on to med school.. nursing loves to poke fun at med students and docs.. hey, it's what we do.. :wakeneo:

btw/ don't take offense to any drivel i have spewn.. and, as always.. ENJOY !!

Oh, believe me, I'm soaking in the answers to my questions (I just obviously have a nagging concern about the community college deal). If I hadn't posted here, I wouldn't have found out that I need additional courses to even apply for CRNA school. I wish I had posted here sooner so that I could've gone ahead and took a few chem. classes this summer, when my schedule isn't jammed with a full-time university curriculum. I appreciate everyone's advice -- a lot of the information that's been posted in the thread has been eye-opening (for me, at least).

I'll also be speaking this week with my neighbor, who has been an anesthetist for 20-something years (his wife is also an RN). I'm curious to see how he's enjoying his career, especially after such a long time in the field...

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