Is this worth filing an appeal for? PLEASE HELP.

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Hello everyone! Before I start, I would like to say that I would appreciate any comment or thought that will be posted. I am sincerely asking for an honest advice- whether it is something I would or wouldn't want to hear.

I'll give you a little bit of background. I am a first year student in a 4 yr BSN program. I am currently just in my first semester and clinical starts in the 2nd term. Here's why I am here:

For us to be able to go to clinical, we must achieve a total of 70% in our program AND must pass our skills check-off which includes taking accurate vital signs (which is worth 25% of our final mark). I had been doing well in all of my classes this term, mostly As and a few Bs for my lowest marks. Unfortunately, for one of our class, we have to pass our skills check-off for us to pass the class and I didn't pass that.

What happened was, we were given 2 chances to try- I failed the first one because I had trouble counting the pulse rate of my partner and was not able to properly perform BP due to a very stupid error on my part- I used the diaphragm to listen, while having the bell turned on the whole time. I kept doing it until I was out of time and was not able to figure out what was happening until then. I knew when I went out of that room that I had failed my first time and it was confirmed by my instructor when she discussed it with me how I missed BP and pulse rate.

What I did after that was I practiced taking BP and pulse rate A LOT until I felt like I got it and still continued to practice even after that since I knew that those areas were my weak points.

So, time for the 2nd try. Part of me was scared when I went into the testing room, but part of me was also confident that I'll get my vital signs right this time. I was lucky to have a partner that had a clear radial pulse for taking her pulse rate and I heard the thuds clearly when I took her BP. Again, being naturally pessimistic, part of me was very scared that I might've made an error again, but I was mostly, confidently feeling like I got it right. That was until I was contacted by my instructor, telling me I did not pass, meaning that I automatically will fail the class.

They wouldn't discuss any feedback regarding the testing on the same day which was on Friday. I was told to meet with them to discuss the feedback on Friday next week. Our final exam for that course would happen before that Friday, and again, I am ineligible to write this exam due to failing my check-off.

I mentioned earlier that I felt confident that I passed my 2nd try when I got out of that room. I am thinking of filing an appeal to maybe get the outcome reviewed again. We were videotaped for all of our skills check-off, btw. I am very worried though that if it is in fact the vital signs on which I screwed up, it would be very hard to prove them where I am coming from since they can't review how fast my partner's pulse was during that time. They can't review BP either, since a steth is used to check that and the video can't show when exactly the systolic and diastolic thuds were heard. In short, it would be really hard for me to get them to see why I was confident with my findings.

In my school, students should be allowed to continue on (including taking an exam) the class while the appeal is being reviewed. I am thinking of filing an academic appeal before the final exam happens and seeing if it's possible for me to take the final exam. My dilemma is that, I have yet to discuss with my instructors why I have failed my 2nd check-off and so if I file an appeal, I wouldn't know exactly what I want to be specifically reviewed. But if I wait until friday next week to see them before I file for an appeal, I would miss the final exam and I am not sure if I'll be allowed to still take it if I were to win my appeal. So, should I file an appeal before meeting with my instructors?Or should I wait, even if it means missing my final exam?

I know that this post is too long, but I really wanted to give as much info as I can. Please, any advice or insight would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.

I will also let you know, that failing students on skills check off is an old-fashioned way of teaching. My school doesn't do this.

Even back in the 90s when I went to school, this wouldn't have happened. They would have just worked with the student until he got it down! And I predict that with a one on one, it would have been remediated within 5 minutes. I shake my head at stories like this.

I have provided a link to an article about handling the appeals process. In other words, you need to provide clear reasons on why you are appealing, what preemptive steps you had taken to prevent this situation, and a plan of action to ensure this does not happen if you were to be re-admitted.

How to Appeal an Academic Dismissal from College

Hi! Thank you very much for this! I am currently writing a "cheat sheet" that I plan on bringing when I meet with the people handling affairs like academic appeals and I found the material very helpful!

I can add nothing that hasn't already been said, except I like your documentation style admire your gumption!

Thank you, Davey! For reading the post and letting me know that I am, at least, on the right track with my tone:)

I agree with a PP who said you should email your instructors letting them know you intend to appeal the decision, and ask them to expedite their explanation of why you failed.

I will also let you know, that failing students on skills check off is an old-fashioned way of teaching. My school doesn't do this.

Hello! Yes, I will proceed with sending them an email prior to filing an appeal. It gets pretty busy for the instructors around this time since all the nursing students take their final exams at around the same time so I understand why they told me to meet at the end of the week. But, I guess because of my situation, I'm going to have to ask them for a quicker response, only this once. I don't want to add to their stress and I hope they don't see it that way. Thank you very much for reading and posting!

IMO, why not because you have nothing to lose.

You've been given solid advice. Tears, temper tantrums and legal threats are not going to help and may in fact do you much more harm than good. And no "special snowflake" mentality either--nursing school instructors love to crush that on sight.

When you meet with them, be professional, present the facts, state your case calmly and rationally, and see what they have to say. From the way you are writing about this, I'm pretty confident that you will do just that :)

Then worst case scenario is that they reject the appeal and you have to retake the entire course, which is pretty much what you are looking at right now if you don't do anything. So go and give it your best shot.

Best of luck.

Thank you very much for posting! Being a special snowflake or even bothering people aren't in the list of things I like doing and I really don't want my instructors to feel that way too. I honestly believe that I have very good and very capable instructors, and the last thing I want is for them to feel as if I am undermining them or that I don't trust their judgement.

I am scared, though, that when we meet to discuss this, I might not be able to keep my emotions in check and might say things that might be taken the wrong way so I have decided to make a cheat sheet for when I meet with my instructors and the people handling academic appeals.

I really want to present myself in the most proper way that I can. It's very nice to hear from the people who have left comments (including you:)) letting me know that my original post has the right tone and message.

Thanks again!

Even back in the 90s when I went to school, this wouldn't have happened. They would have just worked with the student until he got it down! And I predict that with a one on one, it would have been remediated within 5 minutes. I shake my head at stories like this.

How I wish they could just sit down with us and practice the skills with us and we never have to fail:(. But then again, I also understand that they're just looking out for the real patients that we have to take care of so they don't want to send us to clinicals if they feel like we are not proficient with certain skills.

Taking ownership of your learning and working hard to do better is a skill that will help you all through a nursing career. I am glad to see that you aren't giving up. Absolutely go for an appeal, sooner rather than later. Ensuring that you do so respectfully will show just how serious you are about becoming a nurse and gain you respect going forward. So often in my nursing career I have had to step up and refuse to accept the status quo. I have had to question doctors while ensuring I maintained a good working relationship. It is a balancing act every day. You are on the right track, don't give up.

Just to show you how things can turn out: I have been a nurse since 1995 when I got my LVN. In 2000 I completed my ADN. To complete the program we had a math test that we had 3 chances to pass. I am actually good in math, so no big deal, right? Wrong! I failed the first two times, if I failed again I was out of the program. You either got 100 or out. Well, we were allowed to grade our own tests. I missed one- something in the addition like 2+4=7 was my mistake. That is the one time in my career that I bald face LIED! I changed the number and turned it in as a 100. Not sure why I choked, I think it was just the build up of "you must do this to pass!!" To be clear- I AM NOT advocating lying. Just not giving up! Good Luck.

Taking ownership of your learning and working hard to do better is a skill that will help you all through a nursing career. I am glad to see that you aren't giving up. Absolutely go for an appeal, sooner rather than later. Ensuring that you do so respectfully will show just how serious you are about becoming a nurse and gain you respect going forward. So often in my nursing career I have had to step up and refuse to accept the status quo. I have had to question doctors while ensuring I maintained a good working relationship. It is a balancing act every day. You are on the right track, don't give up.

Just to show you how things can turn out: I have been a nurse since 1995 when I got my LVN. In 2000 I completed my ADN. To complete the program we had a math test that we had 3 chances to pass. I am actually good in math, so no big deal, right? Wrong! I failed the first two times, if I failed again I was out of the program. You either got 100 or out. Well, we were allowed to grade our own tests. I missed one- something in the addition like 2+4=7 was my mistake. That is the one time in my career that I bald face LIED! I changed the number and turned it in as a 100. Not sure why I choked, I think it was just the build up of "you must do this to pass!!" To be clear- I AM NOT advocating lying. Just not giving up! Good Luck.

No worries! I didn't think you were advocating for cheating :up: I seriously do not want to give up. The way I think right now is that, at the very least, if my appeal gets denied, I can say to myself that I have tried everything I could and it would be easier for me to accept failure. I don't think I'll be able to move forward thinking about the "what ifs".

Thank you so much for posting and sharing your story! It helps to keep my fire alive:)

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Thank you very much for posting! Being a special snowflake or even bothering people aren't in the list of things I like doing and I really don't want my instructors to feel that way too. I honestly believe that I have very good and very capable instructors, and the last thing I want is for them to feel as if I am undermining them or that I don't trust their judgement.

I am scared, though, that when we meet to discuss this, I might not be able to keep my emotions in check and might say things that might be taken the wrong way so I have decided to make a cheat sheet for when I meet with my instructors and the people handling academic appeals.

I really want to present myself in the most proper way that I can. It's very nice to hear from the people who have left comments (including you:)) letting me know that my original post has the right tone and message.

Thanks again!

Full disclosure...I failed my first skill check. Couldn't find the brachial pulse to save my life...neither could my partner. So we both tanked. And we were both calm at that moment.

A couple of days later I went into see my instructor to ask for help so I didn't fail the retest and thus the course. And I held it together for all of 45 seconds before I became a hysterical wreck. Sobbing, blubbering, you name it. The first and only time I cried in nursing school (the next time I cried was immediately after taking the NCLEX).

Of course, I was majorly embarrassed afterwards...but my instructor was pretty awesome. After I blew through (pun?) half a box of Kleenex and calmed down, she just carried on as though nothing happened, just told me how I could improve for next time and gave me words of encouragement. She didn't make me feel bad or foolish, didn't hold it against me in any away. Then again, I kept the blame on myself: no crying about how unfair she was being, no excuses, no blame, no pity party. Fact was I ****** up plain and simple, and I owned that. That probably helped. Because I bet if I went in there raging about how unfair things were, I probably would have been tossed out of there pretty quick.

So yeah, I can relate about your worry about keeping emotions in check :)

I think the cheat sheet is a good idea because it will help you focus on fact. You could also reheorifice what you are going to say: try talking to a friend, the cat, a doorknob...the more you practice making your argument, the easier it will come out and the more control you'll have.

It worked out well for me and my partner, BTW. We passed the recheck. She went on to become an ICU nurse. I graduated valedictorian, and we all know my career path. And I still struggle with finding the brachial pulse, but I'm much better at it than I used to be :D

Full disclosure...I failed my first skill check. Couldn't find the brachial pulse to save my life...neither could my partner. So we both tanked. And we were both calm at that moment.

A couple of days later I went into see my instructor to ask for help so I didn't fail the retest and thus the course. And I held it together for all of 45 seconds before I became a hysterical wreck. Sobbing, blubbering, you name it. The first and only time I cried in nursing school (the next time I cried was immediately after taking the NCLEX).

Of course, I was majorly embarrassed afterwards...but my instructor was pretty awesome. After I blew through (pun?) half a box of Kleenex and calmed down, she just carried on as though nothing happened, just told me how I could improve for next time and gave me words of encouragement. She didn't make me feel bad or foolish, didn't hold it against me in any away. Then again, I kept the blame on myself: no crying about how unfair she was being, no excuses, no blame, no pity party. Fact was I ****** up plain and simple, and I owned that. That probably helped. Because I bet if I went in there raging about how unfair things were, I probably would have been tossed out of there pretty quick.

So yeah, I can relate about your worry about keeping emotions in check :)

I think the cheat sheet is a good idea because it will help you focus on fact. You could also reheorifice what you are going to say: try talking to a friend, the cat, a doorknob...the more you practice making your argument, the easier it will come out and the more control you'll have.

It worked out well for me and my partner, BTW. We passed the recheck. She went on to become an ICU nurse. I graduated valedictorian, and we all know my career path. And I still struggle with finding the brachial pulse, but I'm much better at it than I used to be :D

Hi! Thank you for sharing your story! Knowing that you went on to become a nurse (your partner as well), it is very inspiring for me and encourages me to continue marching! So thank you very much! Btw, I cried my heart out earlier the moment my bum hit the chair in front of them. They were so nice and understanding about it.

I spoke with my instructors today and was told that filing for an appeal would do nothing for me. They said it in the nicest way that they can. I was told I have no grounds to file for an appeal and giving me a second chance would be very unfair for everyone who didn't pass. I was also told I could still file for an appeal if it would make me feel better and move forward, but they honestly doubt it would go anywhere. Do you think I should still try or just let it go now?

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Squidney, most definitely file the appeal!! What do you have to lose? In the meantime, you will get the experience of filing an appeal and MAYBE, some others who have more say, may side for you!!

Good Luck...time is waning. Do keep us informed.

Skills can be taught so easily. I think it's a huge shame to lose a student over something so easily corrected as taking blood pressures. I would bet that 99.9% of us could have this student rocking blood pressures with just five minutes of coaching. Just shaking my head at this, truly.

Skills can be taught so easily. I think it's a huge shame to lose a student over something so easily corrected as taking blood pressures. I would bet that 99.9% of us could have this student rocking blood pressures with just five minutes of coaching. Just shaking my head at this, truly.

Hi Horseshoe! I understand why my instructors aren't budging. They won't give another chance because it'll be unfair to the other students. To be honest though, I wish my instructors shared your sentiment about sitting down with students and working with them instead of failing them. It's probably the upset and selfish part of me talking :whistling:

It's really hard for me to accept what happened since I was doing so well in this course until I hit a brick wall in the form of skills check-off. I can joke about it now, but when I am alone, I just want to cry and sometimes, I get the feeling that I don't want to continue with this journey. But then I remember how much I wanted this and how much I still want it.

Hi Horseshoe! I understand why my instructors aren't budging. They won't give another chance because it'll be unfair to the other students. To be honest though, I wish my instructors shared your sentiment about sitting down with students and working with them instead of failing them. It's probably the upset and selfish part of me talking :whistling:

My instructors would have worked with you on this, and the rest of us would have cheered you on. Emphasis on skills to the point of failing someone only after a few failed attempts didn't happen. I'm sorry your school has such a focus.

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