Published Nov 23, 2013
pglops9012
1 Post
Hello,
I am a new nurse, working for about six months now. I was caring for a diabetic patient who was NPO with a blood sugar of 210. The previous night his sugar was around 250, I covered the patient with insulin and he became hypoglycemic with a sugar of 42. Last night I did not cover his 210 sugar. This morning his sugar was over 400. Normally I would not hold insulin but because he became hypoglycemic the night before I was very cautious. I asked a couple of nurses on the floor who said they would have done the same thing Did I make a huge mistake? Is this something that I could lose my job over?
calivianya, BSN, RN
2,418 Posts
There's no way you could lose your job for that. I would not give insulin to a patient who is NPO unless the patient is getting TPN or a fluid with dextrose. It is against a lot of facilities' policies, and it's just straight up unsafe practice, to give insulin (esp. short-acting) to someone who is not eating. The risk of hypoglycemia is just too high - but I think you've figured that out at this point from what happened the first night. Hyperglycemia is not a good thing and it needs to be managed, but it's less immediately dangerous to the patient than hypoglycemia. You did the right thing in holding the insulin the second time.
Kitesurfing bum
74 Posts
Was it long acting insulin?
Do you have parameters for holding scheduled meds?
Did the pt receive any new medications?
For a postop pt hyperglycemia can be as adverse as hypoglycemia.
Whenever I hold insulin I check blood sugar multiple times throughout the night q2hours minimum.
I don't know the clinical scenario, but I would be very hesitant to hold insulin for a BG >200. Maybe next time ask md for a reduced dose.
Lesson learned.
chrisrn24
905 Posts
In the future definitely call the MD or on call and run the situation by them. That way you covered your orifice!
iPink, BSN, RN
1,414 Posts
I don't know the details of your patient, but he wasn't on a sliding scale? Usually with my patients who are NPO and DM, they are on a sliding scale and would check how much insulin is needed per protocol of the NPO scale. I believe with ours, anything under 200 wouldn't need insulin, so a BS of 210 would have required some coverage. The patient would be on fluids with Dextrose during that time also.
I wouldn't expect you to lose your job over it, but it's a learning opportunity.
Future FNP 14
49 Posts
Yes you can give lantus insulin to a patient who is npo what was the insulin. You can hold a medicine based on judgement but you have to call md and get an official order to hold it is against the law negligence if you don't get an order. Next time follow chain of command your charge nurse then nurse manager etc.
seaghost
27 Posts
Interesting seeing the different responses on this. I think the best advice would be to call the doc next time. I would have held it for sure though.
Tatinha
25 Posts
I would have called the doctor for a dose adjustment. Cover yourself, unless there were an specific order saying to hold all insulin. Sometimes reducing 2 or 4 units is enough to regulate, not causing hypoglycemia or hyperglycemia.
It is really interesting to see how different hospitals handle insulin differently. "Hold if NPO" is built into the orders for short-acting insulin where I am. There are no NPO sliding scales. I had my preceptor freak on me during orientation because I tried to cover a blood sugar over 300 but the patient had refused his evening snack. It's a little crazy to me that some places you'd have to have a doctor's order to hold a med, too - here we'd just flag it "clinical decision" and explain the reason why we held it in the notes, no physician order required.
OP - Maybe you should check your hospital's policies and procedures to see if they have a document about administering insulin. Now that I know there are such huge variations on what you should and shouldn't do, I'd say the only solid advice is to see what your hospital says!
Nanz_B
20 Posts
I agree. I've had NPH doses decreased because blood sugars were so low and I've been nervous about the pt bottoming out.
Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN
20,908 Posts
Hello,I am a new nurse, working for about six months now. I was caring for a diabetic patient who was NPO with a blood sugar of 210. The previous night his sugar was around 250, I covered the patient with insulin and he became hypoglycemic with a sugar of 42. Last night I did not cover his 210 sugar. This morning his sugar was over 400. Normally I would not hold insulin but because he became hypoglycemic the night before I was very cautious. I asked a couple of nurses on the floor who said they would have done the same thing Did I make a huge mistake? Is this something that I could lose my job over?
Diabetics when ill can have erratic glucose readings......did the patient have any IV fluid infusing on either night?