Indiana University Nursing vs Davita Management of Nursing

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1. At IU, there are at least 7-8 RN's on duty at the Indiana University Home dialysis clinic.....

2. At IU, the dialysis clinic Nursing staff enjoys good wages and plenty of time off....

3. At IU, the vast majority of the Nursing staff has been there at least 20 years and many have been there over 30 years, a few have been there 35 years.

4. At IU, the Nursing looks at long-term costs, instead of short term costs.....

5. At IU, the Nursing staff has a great amount of power to make decisions......

6. The IU staff teaches home dialysis how to correctly clean fistulas, the IU infection rate for fistulas is zero.

7. I would do anything the IU Nursing staff would ask me to do. This includes getting up at 4 am to receive a treatment at the clinic and afterwards to have my fistula looked at, by a IU nephrologist/surgeon...... at the IU Hospital in Indianapolis. If you are curious, it is a 120 mile drive one way from my house to IU.

8. The IU Nursing staff looks out for the Home dialysis patient and is constantly reading the latest research. Many in medicine, I have noticed, could care less.

9. The best thing is last, they always ask me how they can improve, and honestly, I cannot think of anything. My RN case manager jumped my case about my blood sugar scores, my three month scores and she was right. The issue is that I was not getting enough sleep or I put off sleeping. The IU Nursing staff said that controlling blood sugar without the proper sleep is nearly impossible... With sleeping, my A1C score tanked to 5.4. Without her, might have lost my vision in the long run, that would have been a disaster.

I like Davita Nurses, what I do not like is how they are treated. This is more about bashing Davita management. Making money is not evil and every group has to make money at some point. However, as my RN mom said years ago, 12 hour days is not good or healthy for the Nurse nor the patient, I would have to agree..... The Nurse also needs a meal break to control their blood sugar and to be able to think straight and rationally for the dialysis patient. It is also insane that the Nurse cannot get any time off, this is very unhealthy. I worked for a company like that and after a certain point, I really started to resent them. You mean to tell me that you cannot have enough staffing when you are spending how much on that drunkfest, every year? I know that many Davita Nurses resent the management excesses of Davita management and so do the Davita dialysis patients. Many Davita Nurses are fired for disagreeing with this style of management and many Davita patients are discharged for complaining about the crappy care that is dished out by Davita management. I have had many Nurses who worked for Davita say that they were afraid for the safety of the patients, that does not surprise me. The Davita RN is taking care of how many patients at time, again? Then, if something happens, it is all on the Davita RN, how goofy. You can better believe that management will not be taking the blame that the care standard was started by them in the first place. I would love Thiry and his management friends to have some of the care that he thinks is so great for us or take care of zillion patients at one time. When I was In-Center, I learned to put in my own needles and run some parts of the machine.

I love being at home and that is one less patient that the Davita RN has to take care of, God knows they have more than enough work to do......

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First, you show me a dialysis patient that would be willing to do anything longer than 12 hours a week and I'll show you someone with mental illness. Even the most gung-ho patients wants OUT by 3 1/2 hours. And if any of my patients require d/c to an ER they go! I'm an RN and it's my license on the line and almost 100% of my coworkers feel the same. I'd love to know where you come up with these numbers and this info as almost none of it corresponds to the reality I deal with daily.

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Americans are a different breed altogether. If we told our patients that an extra hour would be beneficial I would guess 90% of them would say no. Also, most of my patients have a monstrous time trying to follow the minimum renal diet guidelines and an IDWG of >5% is the norm here. I have a patient who came in almost 8kg/EDW of 96 and when I asked him to come today for extra he said he was too busy! Many of my patients are my patients become of poor lifestyle choices and sticking a fistula into them and hooking them up to machine does not mean they're going to start pursuing health seeking behaviours.

I do 36 hours per week on Nocturnal, your point?

So, you are saying that they do not refuse any patient who can not pay? I have been told the exact opposite.

The cause of diabetes is unknown-Indiana University Nephrology..... You mean that they make lifestyle choices that you do not like or do not approve? If you think the renal diet is sooo easssy, try to follow it for about a month and then come back to me. Many endocrinologists believe that diabetes is caused by a lack of sleep, because controlling blood sugar without the correct amount of sleep is almost impossible(IU Nursing) Most people become diabetics after 50(George Washington University Hospital). How would you react to someone telling you how to live, each and every day of your life, when they did not live it?

Our fearless leader Kent Thiry has stated in public that "Davita is about the employees, not the patients." You do not have to lecture me about money, I was in grad school in Economics. Adequate dialysis, if you are telling me that 12-18 hours per week is enough dialysis, you have to be kidding me. From experience, I know that claim is foolishness. KT makes in the neighborhood of $34 million per year, he sounds like he is really hurting...... I truly hope that not one of you really gets sick in your lifetime. If the cause of diabetes is unknown, why do you automatically blame the person on the machine, when you have no idea what caused the disease in the first place? Many times, I have met individuals in dialysis who are intellectually lazy. I had one nurse whose undergrad degree was in Chemistry, I really enjoyed having her as my nurse, because she did not talk any nonsense to me or the other people in the clinic. Caring about patients, you could have fooled me. I have seen patients treated like criminals on probation....... Davita has one of the or does have the highest discharge rate in the industry, true or false? Yes, money is a reality, so why is the industry so opposed to paying people for transplants??? Why do they want to deny that right, to which they so readily assert for themselves? Dialysis should be a bridge to a transplant, not leaving people on dialysis for years, years, and years. I believe in the next 5-10 years, that nanotechnology is going to take over and people will not be on machines. Many of the Universities are working to get people off of the machines and out of the clinics, because the cost is unsustainable. I am sure KT will not care, he will be worth millions. It is amazing to me how many in dialysis are clueless to what is coming down the pike for the industry. The first clinical trial for something that would get people off of the machines is schedule to start in 2017 and the other devices are on the fast track with one being tested at the University of Washington.

The maneuvering will allow DaVita to continue to generate significant cash flows in the coming years.

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Specializes in Dialysis.

I can remember when TPA was invented and it was going to be the next thing in treatment in acute coronary syndrome. If you owned stock in Genentech you were going to be rich. 5 years later and studies showed cath lab intervention with a balloon and stenting remained the gold standard and the patents for TPA ran out. I hope nanotech pans out but there are still huge hurdles to overcome. I think home dialysis will be the wave of the future and I would love to be a former dialysis nurse.

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I would like to add that a friend of mine works in one of the ICUs at John Hopkins and she said they use Davita services. So I guess their standards may have changed and gone to "cheaper" services. Many hospitals are going to have no choice but to go with the more efficient way of dialyzing inpatient and go with one of the outside contractors, who gets the job done without losing so much money. Inpatient dialysis is one of the lowest grossing departments, they never make money. So unfortunately, I see the hospital run dialysis programs slowly being bought out. There's only a few hospitals in every major metro city that don't use Fresenius or Davita. Good or bad, the job gets done and unless there are major mistakes, the hospitals will accept those services.

Not sure I would agree with that statement. Only Fresenius and Davita? Honestly, God help everyone on dialysis.

Yes, many groups have been working on an artificial kidney. My brother who is a Ph.D. in Physics and Materials Science(Northwestern) thinks that someone will hit the jackpot in the future, think about computers in the early 80's. There is one dialysis machine that will only weigh 32 pounds. One of the very experienced IU Nephrologists thinks it will be here in the next 5-10 years.

Comparing how things are done at a non-profit state University Hospital to a for-profit company is like trying to run Apple under United States Postal Service management concepts. It's great as long as you don't have to worry about costs, profits/loss or competition but that's not working out too well right now is it? I would really like to work in that kind of idealized environment. However there is a reason that Davita can run nine outpatient clinics in the Indianapolis area and IU can only run one. IU can't afford it.

Worried about competition, how would two companies who control 71% of market share worry about competition? Davita and Fresenius are a monopoly, think Ma Bell. IU and Davita have the same number of home dialysis units in Greater Cincinnati and Indianapolis, One. IU Home Dialysis offers Nocturnal Home Dialysis, while the Greater Cincinnati Davita Home Unit does not, I was there for five years. Idealized enviroment, what is preached at Davita and Fresenius is so far from reality, it is beyond belief. If you are curious, the IU home dialysis unit has made a PROFIT or made MONEY every year. Everyone, under the laws of Economics must make money or they will cease to exist. The IU home dialysis unit makes money and your pals at USPS lose money, apples and oranges.....

Many chose Davita or Fresenius, not because they love the care, it is because they cannot leave with their Nephrologist, no conflicts of interests, right? In other words, it is chosen because they do not have any choices, which is caused by the Davita/Fresenius monopoly. I have received outstanding care at the IU University Hospital..... Yes, I know it is great to keep dialysis patients dependent, that way they cannot leave the monopoly and be treated like functioning adults. If they had decent paying jobs and good private insurance, they could tell you to get lost, that would not be good for business, would it?

Dialysis is not a true free market functioning system. It is a system where billions and billions of dollars are paid for subpar care that would not be accepted by the people who work in dialysis..... Look at the lab scores from individuals who are doing full Nocturnal at home and people on In-Center dialysis, the results are not even in the same universe...... You think that the State of Indiana could not afford to run and staff 9 outpatient clinics, you have to be kidding me?

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Fresenius and Davita are examples of rent seeking rather than competition in a free marketplace.

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