implantable defibrillators/pacers

Specialties Hospice

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This has come up a few times in the past, and has recently reared it's head. I have a patient with a defibrillator who is actively dying. RN says we must get it deactivated, or pt will get shocked when heart stops, causing undue distress to the family. Hospice MD says this is a non-issue because you are shocking dead tissue. Seasoned hospice RN tells me that defibrillators only kick in at HR over 200 so it is a non-issue. I have not yet seen a pt die that has been shocked with defibrillator or pacer, and I have cared for both. However, other hospice crisis care nurses have told me they have observed such a thing happening, and it is very distressing. To me, asking the family to have the defibrillator deactivated - having the MD giving order then watching someone come out to deactivate - is a traumatic experience, on top of losing their loved one. However, it certainly would be traumatic to witness your loved one getting shocked, too.

What do y'all think - what has your experience been? The patient most likely is on his way to heaven by now, but for future reference...

Thanks,

mc3:nurse:

Specializes in PICU, NICU, L&D, Public Health, Hospice.
A colleague and I were discussing this topic in regard to one of the patients on our hospice service. The cardiac specialist involved was adamant that he would NOT order the defibrillator shut off as that would be euthanasia. My thought is: what about the patients' right to consent to or refuse a treatment? Once a patient gets an implanted device, they are no longer allowed to refuse the use of it? I'm going to suggest to my colleague that she approach the MD in question and ask about changing the settings on the device. I suppose the patient could ask to be under another MD's care? Any other insights anyone has to offer would be much appreciated.

I have never had a cardiologist refuse to deactivate a defibrillator. Any assertion that it is tantamount to euthanasia in a hospice patient is silly...even from a cardiologist. And you are quite correct, it is the patient's call (or his/her MDPOA) in collaboration with the medical and nursing staff....IT IS NOT THE CHOICE OF THE PHYSICIAN.

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