I hate being a nurse

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hey everybody, I've worked as a nurse for four years in a long-term care facility/rehabilitation center. I can honestly say that being an LPN in my setting is probably the worst job anybody could ever have. I make more money than I would anywhere else, but it's definitely not worth it. I know what you're thinking. Nursing varies so much. Why don't I just change fields? But, I'm married with children. I can't take a ginormous pay cut because I'm not happy at work.

Any nurse knows that I'm beating a dead horse when I bring up staffing, but it has to be said. How the hell can 2 nurses and 3 nursing assistants take care of 60 people? This ratio is rationalized by saying that in a rehab setting the acuity level is lower than that of the hospital. ********! The acuity level is whatever the patient's status is when the hospital bleeds the payor source dry and needs another bed. I've got 35 patients to be responsible for, and they are no less acute than they were when on the unit. State legislation mandates a minimum ratio for staff to patients. This doesn't help because when checking for compliance, the facility is including all the office nurses (directors of nursing, assistant directors of nursing, assessment coordinators, staff development, etc). Corporate and other contracts involved dictate a labyrinth of rules involved when staffing for the shift. Which might I add is a duty that falls right in the lap of the staff nurses. surprised? Corporate says you may have a maximum of X amount of staff. (God forbid that there be a second to...I don't know talk to a patient. this would constitute down time) The state then says you must have a minimum of X amount of staff. They try to make it sound like there is some room to play with it, but in all reality. X=X. Corporate dictates that we can not staff anymore than the minimum. the maximum is the minimum. :uhoh3:

That brings me to my next point. Nursing as an institution is so top heavy. Take my unit for example. Two nurses do the work. Meanwhile, 8 nurses supervise. Yea, I said 8. And they are not alone. Then you have the administration and their quest for quality control. Then there's the therapists and other various non-nursing staff and their never ending concern for what the nurses are doing. Wouldn't the patients be better served with 2 supervisors and 8 hands-on nurses. Can anybody say MICROMANAGEMENT? To the "jump off a bridge" degree. It doesn't stop there. That was only the in-house supervision. It doesn't stop there; not even close. It goes on to include OSHA, corporate, the state board, the ombudsman, social services, etc, etc, etc. Everybody wants to know what 2 ******* nurses are doing.

Don't get me started on the absurdity of pain control scrutiny. when I have to wake you up to give you your pain medication because you rated it a wopping 10 on a scale of 0-10. sleeping at a 10? get real. and annoying family members." NO! your 100 year old mom is not better than she was 90 minutes ago. She is still brain dead. can I get off the phone now?" "she's been here for years and I've never met you, and you wanna come in and scrutinize the staff." "TAKE THEM HOME WITH YOU if you can do so much better" They can try to argue that they're paying out the ass for good care. What they don't know is that I can open the chart and see that the payor source is medicare and medicaid every time. So whose paying what? In fact, I am paying out the ass for the care that I provide. Don't get me started on the google'ologist. You know what I'm talking about. The person who just got done reading about every side effect and possible cause....on some dot com web site. Do they know that I can go on wikipedia and say that vitamin C causes coronary artery disease right now and a million people idiots would quit drinking juice by tomorrow? I'm all for patient advocacy, but nurses are not the bad guys. and I'm all for patient empowerment through education, but **** it let me do my job.

Nursing shortage? what nursing shortage? Did you know that the current number of available nursing positions in America pales in comparison to the number of licensed nurses that are not working as such. These people came to nursing with good intentions, couldn't stand it anymore, and left nursing just like that. It would be naive to think that they made that decision without much thought. Think of all the time, energy, and money spent on education to work as a nurse. Then think of what it would take to make people turn their backs on it. It's not an illusion. I'm not just one burned out nurse who didn't like his job. You've just heard the voice of thousands.

I don't know what state you practise in, but in Illinois it used to be so much easier to find a position in home care or hospice as a per diem nurse. I agree with PurpleViolet in recommending that you check this area out. Depending on the company, I recommend against going full time salaried in home care, as it turned out to be similar to my experience in LTC. (One company had a MINIMUM quota of daily visits that kept going up & up).

I really love working per diem in home care. If I feel that I have too much on my plate I can decline taking on more pt's. I get to spend as much time with one pt as I feel is needed, without call lights or codes. I once was able to help this lovely man take a full shower before he passed away. I actually had the time to do that, & it was wonderful. Can you imagine trying to do that in LTC?

You will, however, continue to have to deal with family members. Most have been a real pleasure to deal with, but there are always those like you spoke of in your original comment. I've found that even those usually come around once they see that you are invested in the best outcome for the pt.

I could never go back to LTC. I worked a short time in correctional medicine, & found that I preferred even that, with jail personell often "speaking" (translate that SCREAMING) to nursing staff as though we were inmates, over LTC.

I completely agree with the "micro management" comment. One facility I worked at had an ADON for every floor (I'm not kidding) who's job entailed monitoring the charge nurses, basically telling them what they were doing wrong. No hands on at all. A better use of the money spent on 4 ADON salaries might've been to hire a couple of extra LPN's and several really good CNA's...or maybe someone to answer the phones!! Many times a nurse is not needed to take the unbelievable amount of calls that come in. Sometimes a family member just wanted to know if dad got up for breakfast today, or if mom was in a better mood than she was yesterday. I worked at one facility that had this unbelievable ward clerk on the skilled floor that handeled all of those types of calls. I stayed there for almost 5 years, mainly because she was there!

Just responding to some of the comments here..I'm just guessing but I imagine this nurse didn't actually SAY these things to family members. How many nurses haven't THOUGHT some of these things at one time or another? Isn't this a better place to say things like that than to a pt or family member?

I wonder if you might take a second look at your budget (you might find that a pay cut would be manageable). There may be things that you consider "essential" that you might be able to cut --like cable/satellite TV, eating out, movies, more expensive clothing...

You might also look at how you would manage a pay cut for several years while you pursued additional education (part-time) to help you get into a position you prefer. --Hopefully you would be able to use some employer benefits to help you with educational costs.

Look at other nursing jobs (as other posters have suggested). Have you checked out all your options? Sometimes the way a job post is presented, it sounds unattainable. But often the employer will accept an applicant with 80% or so of the "requirements." --Look for a not-for-profit employer if you will be doing direct patient care.

I vote to get out of your current situation.

I think it is shameful that patients are subject to unsafe staffing levels.

annoying family members." NO! your 100 year old mom is not better than she was 90 minutes ago. She is still brain dead. can I get off the phone now?" "she's been here for years and I've never met you, and you wanna come in and scrutinize the staff." "TAKE THEM HOME WITH YOU if you can do so much better"

I hope in Gods name you NEVER take care of my mother...

As a Nurse, you know what she meant by that comment.. she is just being honest about how some family members do not EVER come to visit or even call then all of a sudden it is mom's birthday and lo and behold the son/daughter comes in to the facility and starts bashing the staff on "how little we do for mom". I know exactly where she is coming from.. I love Nursing but everything she said was 100% true!
Me too lol. Let's just all be REAL honest.

I definitely have felt that way in some cases.. and does that make me a bad person? NO WAY!! The fact is that I would NEVER actually say what I am thinking if it was hurtful or mean in any way... But you cannot be human and say you are NEVER irritated when a patient's family member is a real pain in the hiney... The reality is that she was not saying that she had actually said that to the family member.. just that she was thinking it.. and like didi said.. LET'S JUST BE HONEST here... We have all had a moment where what we were thinking was not particularly nice... :D

I have been an LPN in LTC for 8 years now.. I have only done SNF work since I graduated. I can honestly say that I know exactly where you are coming from. Every last word of what you said was true and it is sad.. I guess I can say I am lucky because although I have been pushed to the max, annoyed to hell and back, and treated like crap in the same way that you have, I took it all in stride and learned from it.. I feel like every crappy situation has just made me a stronger nurse..

There were and still continue to be, days that I come home and cry my eyes out.. I just happen to Love Nursing so I think that is what kept me strong through it all.. I have always wanted to be a nurse and I don't think that will ever change.. There are days where I think.. Wow.. is this really what I will be dealing with until I retire.. but I do know in my heart that I could never do anything else... Nurses are some of the most caring people in the world and it is awful when we are treated like crap on the bottom of someone's shoe..

Just last week I was suspended from work so that my D.O.N. could investigate a situation in which a patient's son said I abused his mother... I will make a long story short.. Anyone who knows me knows that I am NEVER mean or talk down or scream at a patient.. I love my patients and usually I am the nurse that ends up loving the most difficult patients like they were my own family.. So this new patient was in her room and I was passing meds.. As I neared her room with my cart to take her blood sugar, I could hear her screaming at the CNA..

I approached the room and asked, Is everything ok? The patient turns her aggression towards me and starts screaming and ranting about how the previous shift did not do anything right.. After she vented I was able to calm her down but she was upset that it was 4:30 and I had not taken her blood sugar yet.. Mind you I had came to her room with that intention but I let her rant and this made her even more mad because now I didn't take her blood sugar EXACTLY when she wanted it done.. by the way.. it was scheduled for 4:30.. anyway.. her bs is 120.. Great, right?? Wrong.. she starts freaking out saying it is way to low..

I calm her and take her to the dining room. She fussed about her seating arrangement and I tried to accomodate her but she was not having it. I took her back to her room at her request and she continued to rant about dietary, the cna, and anything else she could think of.. I brought her a room tray and she calmed down and ate. I thought it was all over with.. Until I get a phone call from her son accusing me of not taking her blood sugar until after she ate. I assured him that this was not the case and that a CNA was even present when I took the blood sugar.. He proceeded to tell me that I was lying and hung up the phone. I called the DON and told her what was going on because this was the first time I worked with this patient and I had received report from the day nurse that she was rather difficult to deal with on day shift as well.

I continue through my shift and in all honesty the patient had calmed down and was actually rather sweet from that point on. At around 8pm I am doing my last med pass and I hear a man screaming in her room. He was going on and on about how the staff cannot tell her what to do and that we should be on top of her blood sugar and dietary should give her more carbs.. blah blah blah.. he was really mad and I knew that he was going to come take it out on me.. He came stomping out of her room and instantly starting grilling me about her meds, her care, her sugar, and anything else he could think of. I tried to answer his questions but he had the "google" bug and was telling me what I needed to know about Nursing..

He actually at one point got on the phone and called a pharmacist because I mentioned that xanax was kept in our narcotic box. He wanted to have his pharmacist teach me that xanax was not a narcotic it was a controlled substance. Which by the way, I was not really arguing with him I had only mentioned that we keep it in a narc box. Like I said, he knew it all and I was never going to be able to tell him anything at all he was super defensive. Either way, as I went into the room to assess his mother for pain he interrupted me with everything I said to try to "teach me" the correct way to do it all.. I then asked that he let provide care for his mother and he hit the roof.. In all honesty I was doing my best to not sound sarcastic or rude in any way.. It was very hard but I really believe I did a good job considering..

Anyway, He then goes on a tangent about how I am not a good nurse because " I lied to him about his mother's blood sugar" he then proceeds to tell me again that I had not taken his mother's blood sugar until after she ate. At this point I turned to his mother and said " mrs. ******** can you please clarify if I did or did not take your blood sugar before you ate. She then stated that I did indeed take her sugar but that she had to ask me to do it.. Again, I had came to the room with full intent of taking her sugar before her hissy fit but I didn't even bring that up to him.. I just said thank you for being honest or something like that to the patient and because he was still in argue mode I told him I think It would be best if I get the supervisor.. I got the In house sup and she took over from there.

I knew that he had filed a grievance but it was not until the next day that I found out what it had said... He said that I was very rude and nasty with.. get this.. His MOTHER... and that I put my finger in her face and screamed at her about her blood sugar.. Honest to goodness none of that was the truth.. I am not that kind of person and I did not even yell at him (although I really wanted to). I simply got the supervisor before I did get nasty. I knew that my patience was wearing thin and I thought i did the best thing I could.. Well, I was immediately suspended and told that after the investigation I would either be brought back to work with pay or I would be fired if found guilty of the accusations.

I was afraid!!! Not because I was guilty.. but because I was thinking.. "Wow.. I can be fired, possible lose my license, and even go to jail for assault.. for something I did not even do." all based on the fact that a patient's son had a bug up his hiney and decided to lie about the real events that took place. I was beyond shocked when I heard what he had accused me of.. but either way.. I felt confident that my DON would talk to other patients as well as the CNA's who worked with me that night and find that I have never ever been rude to a patient nor to staff and that the CNA's had heard him screaming and saw his demeanor that night...

I am very fortunate because the DON did talk to other patients and they all stated that I was very kind to them and had never mistreated any one of them.. she then spoke to the patient in question and Thank God she told the truth.. She stated that "she was not privy to the conversation between her son and I that took place in the hall however I did not mistreat her in any way.. I did not point my fingers in her face, nor did I scream at her or belittle her in any way.. She did state that I had asked her about the blood sugar incident but that I had not done it in a nasty way.. So that was all it took for me to be exonerated.. I am sorry I said I would make it a short story but I ended up needing to vent after all...

The point I am trying to make with this lengthy post is that Nurses are often treated poorly by family members who are at times feeling guilty or may just be having a bad day or having difficulty coping with their family member's illness. No matter what the feelings of the family member are.. we as nurse's often end up getting the thrashing from all angles.. Often if things go wrong, whether it is our fault or not.. family members, doctors, and even other staff members tend to take it out on A nurse.. So i can completely understand how a nurse can become burnt out and not want to practice any longer...

I know that each and every one of us who have been a nurse for some time have experienced a similar situation at one point and may have questioned our profession.. I literally started thinking.. Wow.. is being a nurse really worth the possibility that a lie can lead to my arrest and loss of licensure? I mean.. come on.. how could you not be stressed out and angry after a situation like that... So I will gladly have the original poster's back and say I know where you are coming from and I myself have wanted to tell a patient's family member that if they think they can do better.. take him/her home and do it your DAMN SELF!!! but that does not mean that I would ever say it...

So please.. let us vent.. do not judge.. because we are all human!! We all make mistakes.. and we all have not so nice thoughts sometimes!~

So glad you were exonerated! But this is a good example of why we should ALL carry our own & never rely on our employer's insurance coverage. Your own coverage provides an attorney specifically for YOU. (I sound like an insurance rep LOL..I'm not!) LPN coverage is right around $100 per year. I'm not sure how much RN coverage is. I'm just amazed at the number of nurses who tell me that they don't have coverage.

Wow, you are definitely the ideal nurse. I am a new grad waiting to take my NCLEX but I absolutely dread becoming a nurse because I am certain that I would not be able to survive this sort of situation. I realized this during one of the last few months of school but forced myself to finish the program because it would be a lot of time and money wasted if I dropped out. I really want to find a different career that is somewhat affiliated with nursing so that I don't waste my education, but I have no idea what to look for (or who will even be willing to hire me).

Anyways, I really admire and respect you for handling such a stressful event so gracefully. Keep up the good work! I truly believe all nurses should have an attitude like yours.

Wow, you are definitely the ideal nurse. I am a new grad waiting to take my NCLEX but I absolutely dread becoming a nurse because I am certain that I would not be able to survive this sort of situation. I realized this during one of the last few months of school but forced myself to finish the program because it would be a lot of time and money wasted if I dropped out. I really want to find a different career that is somewhat affiliated with nursing so that I don't waste my education, but I have no idea what to look for (or who will even be willing to hire me).

Anyways, I really admire and respect you for handling such a stressful event so gracefully. Keep up the good work! I truly believe all nurses should have an attitude like yours.

Thank you.. but really I didn't do anything special... I just did what I could with what I was dealt... I do appreciate your kind words but even though it may not seem like it.. there are plenty of great nurses out there who would have handled that situation even better than I did... I love my job and I would be devastated if I could no longer practice.. so that helps lol.. I am going to have to look into the insurance thing.. It really does sound like it is almost necessary in nursing.. So sad.. smh.. Nurses or anyone for that matter should not have to deal with the stuff we deal with..

Although still a LPN student, totally sympathize with you..... these demands are unreal, one of the reasons Im reconsidering nursing alltogether. I cant picture myself passing meds to 30 pts and not forgetting something...

The poster defn said what I think a lot of ppl feel at some point regardless of what position you hold in a ltc facility. Uninvolved families can be the worst. They ruffle their feathers up as if they give a damn but would rather watch their "loved one" wet themself than help them to a toilet or commode. The system sucks. There is no shortage. Ltc is depressing. I'd only wish it on my worst enemy.

I'm a cna I took my nclex several times and still can't pass... I'm afraid to deal with the bs and abuse

Thank you for this post. I couldn't have said it better myself. I have been at my facility of 3 years and every time I walk in to work now I get anxiety attacks. No matter where we work there will be stress but we all know the BS that happens as far as staffing and family members. There are a few at my facility that had a few nurses fired and boast about it every chance they get. I am very stern in my approach and let them know politely that I am there to take care of their mother/father and not to kiss their a$$. I feel your pain 100% and yes, they all feel they deserve the world because they are paying for it but it is always Medicaid/Medicare. I find the private pays rarely complain. Bottom like is this horrible feeling I have has pushed me to go back to school for the RN so I can sit on my a$$ like the nurse managers and get paid more. What about the LPN's that recently got their RN degrees and act as if they forgot the struggle as an LPN. It sucks overall and i encourage everyone to never become an LPN, just go straight for your RN because there is no respect and the days are endless.

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