I had an epiphany today

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I've been a medic for 16 years and a nurse for 6. I had a funny thing happen today. I happened to be working on the ambulance but it could just have easily been on the unit. I personally hate long winded posts, so get ready because today I am GUILTY. I was transporting a late 50s guy who was being transferred for EP study following a NSTEMI (r/t recurrent Vtach). I asked him what meds he took and he said "it's none of your business, you are just giving me a ride". I was dumbstruck for a second and my impulse was to "inform" him that the state of Colorado required that I gather medical history, allergies, medication and perform a full assessment on every patient, but I didn't. I stopped and smiled to myself, realizing that this guy had made his choices and I would leave him to his problems. Of course I just read his chart.

I felt like telling him that the 4 vessel CABG he received 7 years prior was a miracle of modern medicine that few people in the world would have been lucky enough to receive. I didn't want to rub it in his face that two vessels were 100% occluded, the third 90% occluded and his LIMA was the single vessel providing all of the blood flow to his heart. I felt like telling him that by failing to even see his doctor once or quit smoking was a slap int the face to the surgeon who had dedicated his life to curing cardiac disease. I felt like telling him that I knew his Na was 139, his K 5.2, Bun 24, creatinine .9, and the significance of his troponin of .12. I felt like telling his the report of Vtach that I had received was clearly rapid Afib, and that I knew 50 ways (OK 10) to save his life if his EF of 30%, septal and apical hypokenisis failed to sustain him. But I didn't.

He was a tough guy, 6'4", worked as a trucking supervisor, 260lbs, handlebar mustache and had a ring tone from one of the the Cling Eastwood spagetti westerns. I wanted to tell him that yes, Clint was a badass but he won by being the clever trickster, not by being a dumbass, and that that he wan't being clever at all. A clever man would listen to his doctor, or quit smoking. Is there anone in America who doesn't know this is bad for you? But I didn't. I treated him with courtesy, gave a report and dropped him off. In my younger years I would have been ******, but now, I just feel sorry that he wasn't smart enough, or got enough hugs as a child, or for whatever reason he seemed unable to face his problems and take action to stay alive. I guess I just realized that to be a nurse, is to take people as they are, and treat them the best we can.

Specializes in ICU, ER, EP,.

I doubt anyone will agree with me... but literally food for thought on your epiphany as it relates to my practice.

Our management has us so focused on patient satisfaction scores that we can't do right by our patients.. tick them or the family off and you can be fired!.... So my epiphany is...

-diabetic... sure eat that burger and fries that your family brought you while you are in for DKA,

-CHF and dialysis pt.... I'm sick of rationing your water here that you don't ration at home and argue with me for... here is the water ... have at it

-The once a week DKA 'er 20 year old that demands the dilaudid.... "I had it dc'd... if you'd stop forcing your body to eat itself for food you wouldn't be in so much pain... no more dilaudid on my watch, take your insulin at home and you won't need to argue with me again. "

-The family... "no I won't call the doc for ""xy and z"" because you now have a google degree and still have no clue

-"you sure as heck can go smoke after your heart attack... pack your belongings.. because housekeeping will have your room cleaned an the sick ICU patient being held in the ER will be in your room on your return.

-management... my favorite... "no I'm not bringing out the recliners, pillows, blankets and drinks to family to camp out for the night... my patient is sick and the family is exhausted and no one will sleep... so no good will come of it"

PS all thanks for the thread hijack... I'm interviewing to get out of the ICU and I'm saving that last statement for my exit interview... all of the above I say and do on a daily basis.... I'm not fighting the masses anymore.

Working in the ER, I just CAN'T with some of these pts.....

I mean, I really can't and REFUSE to argue with them anymore.

Specializes in Clinical Research, Outpt Women's Health.

And why should we argue? They have the right to make their own choices.

Provide the info, educate about the consequences, support them if they want to make changes, and don't give them a hard time if they do not,and then let them be. It is their life.

I want to borrow, beg to use or just plain steal that and use your quote PLEASE?

The poster was paraphrasing a quote by Soren Kierkegaard - the actual quote is "Life can only be understood backwards but it must be lived forwards".

I've been a medic for 16 years and a nurse for 6. I had a funny thing happen today. I happened to be working on the ambulance but it could just have easily been on the unit. I personally hate long winded posts, so get ready because today I am GUILTY. I was transporting a late 50s guy who was being transferred for EP study following a NSTEMI (r/t recurrent Vtach). I asked him what meds he took and he said "it's none of your business, you are just giving me a ride". I was dumbstruck for a second and my impulse was to "inform" him that the state of Colorado required that I gather medical history, allergies, medication and perform a full assessment on every patient, but I didn't. I stopped and smiled to myself, realizing that this guy had made his choices and I would leave him to his problems. Of course I just read his chart.

I felt like telling him that the 4 vessel CABG he received 7 years prior was a miracle of modern medicine that few people in the world would have been lucky enough to receive. I didn't want to rub it in his face that two vessels were 100% occluded, the third 90% occluded and his LIMA was the single vessel providing all of the blood flow to his heart. I felt like telling him that by failing to even see his doctor once or quit smoking was a slap int the face to the surgeon who had dedicated his life to curing cardiac disease. I felt like telling him that I knew his Na was 139, his K 5.2, Bun 24, creatinine .9, and the significance of his troponin of .12. I felt like telling his the report of Vtach that I had received was clearly rapid Afib, and that I knew 50 ways (OK 10) to save his life if his EF of 30%, septal and apical hypokenisis failed to sustain him. But I didn't.

He was a tough guy, 6'4", worked as a trucking supervisor, 260lbs, handlebar mustache and had a ring tone from one of the the Cling Eastwood spagetti westerns. I wanted to tell him that yes, Clint was a badass but he won by being the clever trickster, not by being a dumbass, and that that he wan't being clever at all. A clever man would listen to his doctor, or quit smoking. Is there anone in America who doesn't know this is bad for you? But I didn't. I treated him with courtesy, gave a report and dropped him off. In my younger years I would have been ******, but now, I just feel sorry that he wasn't smart enough, or got enough hugs as a child, or for whatever reason he seemed unable to face his problems and take action to stay alive. I guess I just realized that to be a nurse, is to take people as they are, and treat them the best we can.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but while your actions were right, it doesn't sound like your attitude changed.

I used to smoke... a lot. Of course people know it's bad for them, but no one has the right to look down on someone for it. The thing is, it's an addiction, and the longer you smoke the tougher it is to quit. This is really hard for people who haven't battled the addiction to understand. The idea of quiting feels like you are trying to kill your best friend. That cigarrette, for many, and for me, was the one dependable thing I can rely on and the one thing that gave me a few minutes of pleasure. It's not a slap in the face to anyone but himself for not quitting, his decision has nothing to do with the surgeon.

Maybe he's weak, maybe he doesn't have a strong support system (which regardless of what your health is, if you don't have support the chances of you being able to quit are heavily stacked against you), and maybe... as you said, he didn't have enough hugs as a child. Regardless, it doesn't make him a bad, or failed human being. It makes him broken, just like everyone else.

I used to hate it when I would buy a pack, and the cashiere would tell me all the reasons it was bad. It wasn't helpful, because those reasons weren't why I was or was not smoking. They had nothing to do with it.

I'm just trying to point out that you, or I, or anyone else is no better than this guy, and for that reason he doesn't need to be looked down upon.

EDIT - wow talking about a defensive answere :p. So I re-read the end of the OP's post, and I really missed the mark of the entire post... sorry about that. I would love to delete this but I couldn't find the delete button. But yea, I must have been in defensive "bla I quit smoking, and feel bad for smokers!" mode and read over the last few lines. Life lesson learned, and check. Sorry again :)

Specializes in school nurse.
And why should we argue? They have the right to make their own choices.

Provide the info, educate about the consequences, support them if they want to make changes, and don't give them a hard time if they do not,and then let them be. It is their life.

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...but the taxpayers and/or insured groups tab.

Specializes in Vent Unit Nurse.

I have had a similar type of situation where a patient has made a generalization as to what I know or do not know. As a human being there is a knee-jerk reaction to being told off or judged, but as a nurse we must swallow our pride. I am a LPN nursing student and yes there is much I need to learn, but regardless of that fact his prejudgment was uncalled for. My answer to this patient was to explain in precise detail exactly what he believed I was ignorant about. I left with the hope that there may be a small chance I may have changed his mind about what he believes. My point is that I realized "had an epiphany of sorts" that I cannot return judgment but hold on to my integrity and treat this patient with dignity while upholding my own....

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.
I doubt anyone will agree with me... but literally food for thought on your epiphany as it relates to my practice.

Our management has us so focused on patient satisfaction scores that we can't do right by our patients.. tick them or the family off and you can be fired!.... So my epiphany is...

-diabetic... sure eat that burger and fries that your family brought you while you are in for DKA,

-CHF and dialysis pt.... I'm sick of rationing your water here that you don't ration at home and argue with me for... here is the water ... have at it

-The once a week DKA 'er 20 year old that demands the dilaudid.... "I had it dc'd... if you'd stop forcing your body to eat itself for food you wouldn't be in so much pain... no more dilaudid on my watch, take your insulin at home and you won't need to argue with me again. "

-The family... "no I won't call the doc for ""xy and z"" because you now have a google degree and still have no clue

-"you sure as heck can go smoke after your heart attack... pack your belongings.. because housekeeping will have your room cleaned an the sick ICU patient being held in the ER will be in your room on your return.

-management... my favorite... "no I'm not bringing out the recliners, pillows, blankets and drinks to family to camp out for the night... my patient is sick and the family is exhausted and no one will sleep... so no good will come of it"

PS all thanks for the thread hijack... I'm interviewing to get out of the ICU and I'm saving that last statement for my exit interview... all of the above I say and do on a daily basis.... I'm not fighting the masses anymore.

I was considering taking my travel nursing skills to a higher level when I read this:

https://allnurses.com/nursing-articles/saudi-arabia-good-275983.html

Kinda sounds like what you are describing. The part about the patients getting sick and wanting us to treat the symptoms, not solve the problem.

Specializes in ER, ICU.
Wow, an epiphany! Was it like this? :D

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Yes, and I just heard music too!

Specializes in ER, ICU.
I have to say though that having worked in both psych and in a drug/ETOH detox........I have heard sooooo many times, "I have quit heroin, Crack, alcohol and opiates and it was hard don't get me wrong, but I just can't seem to kich the cigarettes--that is the hardest one. I want to so bad after all I've done to get clean--but just can't"......... tobacco is a serious addiction. And it sounds like, by the response you got, this guy is angry. He most likely will be nasty to everyone and really its his own anger at himself and he turns it and is nasty to you and others trying to help him. My guess is he knows how close he was to dying and how lucky he is to be alive and either doens't feel like he deserves what a miracle he got or is too embarrased to go back to the doc and admit he has not quit smoking and is probably still eating crap, etc. --so now he is angry with himself and instead is taking it out on the world around him.

Okay so that is just the psych nurse in me talking. Maybe he really is just an ignorant jerk. Maybe. But I like to try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I can't help it I am a "glass-half-full" kind of gal! LOL

Just try to remember that your patients may not always know just how much you (all nurses) are a part of their care, a huge part of why they are alive. It's nice to be appreciated by our pts and their familes. For them to know all that you do. But yeah you are gonna get some that just don't get it. At the end of the day you know.

I think you hit it on the head. I felt that deep down he knew what a mistake he made.

Specializes in ICU, ER, EP,.
i was considering taking my travel nursing skills to a higher level when i read this:

https://allnurses.com/nursing-articles/saudi-arabia-good-275983.html

kinda sounds like what you are describing. the part about the patients getting sick and wanting us to treat the symptoms, not solve the problem.

thank you for understanding and never worked through it, you are a rare gem! you understand, this is how it really is. i just totally love you for understanding me. you have made my week, no one is interested in change, they just think that an admit and meds will allow them to continue with what they are doing and have me give them a "quick fix" to a problem that can't be a "quick fix" because they won't ... change.

you my friend are on my christmas card list... and that is the cats behind... smooch. i feel so validated. i thank you.

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