I don't believe this.

I read this, and even knowing what LTC facilities are like, even I am shocked, and that is saying something.

I work for a 911 dispatch center for EMS in Florida. Last night a recieved a call from and assisted living facility. The person on the phone was asking for lifting assistance for a patient that had fallen on the floor. I then asked if there was a nurse on duty that could come in and help the patient up off the floor. The man told me there was no staff on duty. This was around midnight. Assuming it was the patients roomate suffering from dementia, I called the main line number to the ALF. The same man answered the phone and told me he was the only one there. Of course we sent out an engine to assist the woman and when they got onscene they said there actually was NO staff on duty! The man who answered the phone was a maintenence man.

We promptly sent a deputy over there to see what was going on. The maintenence man explained to him that he was CPR certified and had been authorized to watch the pts for a full two hours every night when there was no staff on duty. The deputy wrote an information report and called us back saying he didnt know enough about nursing home laws to make any criminal charges.

So my question is, is this legal?? Do assisted living facilities have seperate laws than nursing homes do? Is this something I should report? I know if that was my mother and there was no qualified staff on duty for any amount of time at any hour I would be outraged.

Just another note, the deputy was told by the maintenence man that the patients he was supervising were "independent livers" and at low risk of injury during the night. The deputy told me the lady who fell out of bed was 98 years old. And who knows how long she was on the floor. Can she really be an "independent liver" if she was on the floor unable to get herself up?

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Wow! That is scary. I don't know about "independent livers" but it seems to me that if you have a home, whether assisted living or not, you are responsible for having qualified staff available 24/7. And this would not include a maintenence man with CPR qualification.

If my loved one lived in such an arrangement I would be livid. You just know that the families of these folks were not told that things would be this way. And I am sure that the folks living there were not aware when they signed up that they would have to depend on a maintenence man for their care.

I don't know if this is technically legal, but it should not be, that's for sure.

Wow! That is scary. I don't know about "independent livers" but it seems to me that if you have a home, whether assisted living or not, you are responsible for having qualified staff available 24/7. And this would not include a maintenence man with CPR qualification.

If my loved one lived in such an arrangement I would be livid. You just know that the families of these folks were not told that things would be this way. And I am sure that the folks living there were not aware when they signed up that they would have to depend on a maintenence man for their care.

I don't know if this is technically legal, but it should not be, that's for sure.

I read this, and even knowing what LTC facilities are like, even I am shocked, and that is saying something.

I work for a 911 dispatch center for EMS in Florida. Last night a recieved a call from and assisted living facility. The person on the phone was asking for lifting assistance for a patient that had fallen on the floor. I then asked if there was a nurse on duty that could come in and help the patient up off the floor. The man told me there was no staff on duty. This was around midnight. Assuming it was the patients roomate suffering from dementia, I called the main line number to the ALF. The same man answered the phone and told me he was the only one there. Of course we sent out an engine to assist the woman and when they got onscene they said there actually was NO staff on duty! The man who answered the phone was a maintenence man.

We promptly sent a deputy over there to see what was going on. The maintenence man explained to him that he was CPR certified and had been authorized to watch the pts for a full two hours every night when there was no staff on duty. The deputy wrote an information report and called us back saying he didnt know enough about nursing home laws to make any criminal charges.

So my question is, is this legal?? Do assisted living facilities have seperate laws than nursing homes do? Is this something I should report? I know if that was my mother and there was no qualified staff on duty for any amount of time at any hour I would be outraged.

Just another note, the deputy was told by the maintenence man that the patients he was supervising were "independent livers" and at low risk of injury during the night. The deputy told me the lady who fell out of bed was 98 years old. And who knows how long she was on the floor. Can she really be an "independent liver" if she was on the floor unable to get herself up?

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That must not be that uncommon. I had a patient come into the hospital the other day for a G.I. bleed. She told me that it happened in the middle of the night and only the maintenance man was on duty he is the one to call 911. Surprised me a bit too.

I read this, and even knowing what LTC facilities are like, even I am shocked, and that is saying something.

I work for a 911 dispatch center for EMS in Florida. Last night a recieved a call from and assisted living facility. The person on the phone was asking for lifting assistance for a patient that had fallen on the floor. I then asked if there was a nurse on duty that could come in and help the patient up off the floor. The man told me there was no staff on duty. This was around midnight. Assuming it was the patients roomate suffering from dementia, I called the main line number to the ALF. The same man answered the phone and told me he was the only one there. Of course we sent out an engine to assist the woman and when they got onscene they said there actually was NO staff on duty! The man who answered the phone was a maintenence man.

We promptly sent a deputy over there to see what was going on. The maintenence man explained to him that he was CPR certified and had been authorized to watch the pts for a full two hours every night when there was no staff on duty. The deputy wrote an information report and called us back saying he didnt know enough about nursing home laws to make any criminal charges.

So my question is, is this legal?? Do assisted living facilities have seperate laws than nursing homes do? Is this something I should report? I know if that was my mother and there was no qualified staff on duty for any amount of time at any hour I would be outraged.

Just another note, the deputy was told by the maintenence man that the patients he was supervising were "independent livers" and at low risk of injury during the night. The deputy told me the lady who fell out of bed was 98 years old. And who knows how long she was on the floor. Can she really be an "independent liver" if she was on the floor unable to get herself up?

http://www.prairielaw.com/messagebo...lId=26&mbId=124

:uhoh21:

That must not be that uncommon. I had a patient come into the hospital the other day for a G.I. bleed. She told me that it happened in the middle of the night and only the maintenance man was on duty he is the one to call 911. Surprised me a bit too.